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Re: HN Help: I'm lost

#191
post #126

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plinkplonk: My post was made for no other reason but to answer lostsheep's honest questions with the only honest answer I have. I sincerely apologize for "polluting HN" with my honest thoughts. If I had seen that he added an email address to his account I would have just emailed him since I know most people here don't appreciate religious discussions.

"My post was made for no other reason but to answer lostsheep's honest questions with the only honest answer I have. " I never questioned the strength of your conviction in your beliefs, just the appropriateness of expressing them here . My post could have been less strongly worded, though. I apologize unreservedly for any offense caused by the sharpness of my tone. " If I had seen that he added an email address to h…

I never questioned the strength of your conviction in your beliefs, just the appropriateness of expressing them here.

Normally, yes. In this case however, they don't deserve down mods. The appropriate value for such a comment in this thread is 1.

Re: HN Help: I'm lost

#192
post #72

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Regardless of validity in your mind, religion is an important aspect of the lives of billions of people on this planet. The GP was not preaching or preying on anyone -- the phrase "if what I have said rings true at all in your heart" is an indicator of a respectful and well-intentioned comment. For many people in a situation similar to the poster's, looking outside the secular world for help has been what helped them…

" "if what I have said rings true at all in your heart" is an indicator of a respectful and well-intentioned comment. It doesn't matter. Ultimately this site isn't a venue for religious evangelism, no mattter how "respectful" the build up is. And if it is, evangelizing the FSM makes as much sense as evangelizing Jesus (or Buddha or Allah or the Great BingaBonga of the White Voudoun). And I've noticed that evangelizer…

And if it is, evangelizing the FSM makes as much sense as evangelizing Jesus

Which is basically what you are doing by making such a strong counterpoint. Take your own advice here.

Re: HN Help: I'm lost

#193
post #132

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I don't, but I don't have kids. Do you?

I have kids, own a TV, but don't get anything more than the basic network channels. Specifically, no Disney, no Nickleodeon, Cartoon Network, etc. When visiting friends and family who do have those channels, I'm constantly reminded this is a good thing. (Ironically, I think channels like Cartoon Network I would recommend more for adults, both for the creativity of some of the shows and for the nostalgia of the old st…

That's cool! How do you deal with peer pressure at school and all that?

BTW, like someone else said, I hate to have thousands of episodes of tv trash like Gilligan's Island in my head.

Re: HN Help: I'm lost

#194
post #113
post #100

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Even as a family you can be frugal. You need more than if you were alone, but still. If you can't buy your kids lots of fancy things, maybe you can teach them to be entrepreneurial early on. If you can't buy them expensive education, maybe they can try to win grants. Besides, if you are struggling now, you probably can not buy them good education anyway.

Try that with kids bombarded from TV and peers to be mindless consumers. It's close to impossible.

Believe it or not, as a parent you have more clout than the TV and peers...if you want to.

From about the time my son was three years old or so, my reply to "can I have $shiny_thing_on_TV?" was "don't ask for stuff you see on TV, it's mostly junk." That simple!

Now he's nine and asks for stuff on TV, but he understands that there's a very high probability he won't get it, so he knows better than to whine about it. Instead it's "maybe I can get it for my birthday" or "how long do I have to save so I can buy that with my own money?" Either of which I think is infinitely better than the kids who nag their parents until they get what they want!

Re: HN Help: I'm lost

#195
Wow - could me me except that you have done much more than I. I like reading HN but feel very peripheral to the main current. Read your post and related alot more than I do with most. Thank you for the honesty and directness.

Trying to get by with a single income (wife and 2 young kids) in an expensive metro area. In a job which I like because it has been my first job working in an almost purely Linux sysadmin - but with difficulties not to enumerate as I am using my real name... For various reasons, there is nowhere for me to go in the company, the jobmarket keeps me in place and reinforces the slavish notion that I am lucky to even have a job.

The things that motivate me at this point are embarrassingly simple. On the train this morning, I figured out how to run SLIME and worked through the examples in PG's short "History of Lisp". It made me happy because I had been reding about LISP and related things for some time on HN and other places but had no idea for a while how to start investigating the subject. Such initiatives do not have much legs because I get drawn into everyday responsibilities and the (hopefully) minor crises that come with having small children.

These trivial discoveries make me happy in the short term and I muddle though. Long term thinking fills me with dread.

I know I have started this all late in life - sometimes it feels too late.

Anyway to reiterate - I can say that I empathize in a minor way as I have not achieved a fraction of what you have. What follows is a personal reaction.

In what feels like another life, I was a grad student in literature. Your post reminded me of 3 things that I had read over the years. Not so much the pieces themselves but a situation described. Your post is full of frustration and dread. The accumulation of energy before a lightning strike. I would love to convey this too you as the energy in your post makes me feel like you might be closer to a solution than you think. My attempt:

A bit of critique (not criticism mind you) - look at the 2 questions in the 2nd to last paragraph.

The contrast in the questions made me think of a mistake endemic to our time - one that great and small minds make. A movement from the concrete to the abstract. A movement from within to without. What Blake refers to as a 'roofed horror'

The question:

"Where should I turn..." reminded me of the first piece of literature- have you read any DesCartes? If you are interested in the History of Science read his early life and an event known as the dream in the 'poele'. The same question occurred to him (in Latin).

The next question "And what would you do?" is a detour.

A natural one because the way seems blind and a deadend. And this (HN) is a community of people who likely understand where this question is coming from better than most. But the answer is not here or anywhere external.

Looking at your brief eloquent post this is a point at which you probably have to turn within.

The last paragraph is abstract where the previous ones are personal and direct. And of course it is a valid answer but the impetus is reactive and negative. By negative I do not mean 'wrong' or misguided. I mean in the sense that it is defined as against something else. The "something new" that is NOT your current life and does NOT involve yr difficult boss.

But to break free in a meaningful way this has to be transcended. 2nd piece of literature - the introduction to Hegel's "Phaenomenology of Geist". Negation is a moment in the process. Acorn --> tree. Lightning revealing a crumbling structure at the moment of its collapse.

And 3rd TS Eliot's WasteLand. Part 3 or 4. "What the thunder said". Images from an Sanskrit text. World in a drought, groups of people gather and pray to discover the reasons for the drought. A terrific thunderclap which each group hears as a different word. That word is a key.

Hopefully this does not sound too hokey.

I wish you the best.

Re: HN Help: I'm lost

#196
- New job time...

- Start a new project with a simple output, meaning you can see results quickly.

- Buy a new video game, left 4 dead is great after the long commute home for me OR start a new show to watch and veg once in a while.

- Learn a new platform OR take on a hobby outside programming with your kids.

Also you might be feeling the weight of the 40 yr old programmer. Well think of it this way... programming and especially web development/game development/app development is fairly new. Really our field didn't start out until the late 70s and the web mid 90s. So programmers will get older and older, you are nowhere near the end. It was a moment in time when all developers were young. I am in my early 30's and all my web/gamedev friends are around the same age but I also work with some 40 and 50 yr old developers in gamedev.

Maybe even start something of your own on the side and slowly build it to something that can take out your dayjob.

Also, remember this, sometimes we psychologically or even biologically create drama in our lives. Teenagers go through it heavily as biologically they are changing and it does spawn some depression bouts. Same with older people who might feel it closing in, but you can be depressed and do nothing or understand it is a phase and find a way through.

Re: HN Help: I'm lost

#197
post #177

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Which would deprive his wife and children more? a) Fewer expensive toys, a smaller/no TV, a small house, cheap clothes, and public school? b) A father and husband so busy repressing his pain, so trapped in the anguish of seeing his identity drowned, that he cannot express his true love and strength to them? His family will benefit infinitely more from the joy of his liberation, and his children from the example of a…

If the choice were between a big house and a modest house, expensive clothes and cheap clothes, private school and public school, I'd probably make some major life changes too. But here's the thing. I already live with two kids in a small 2br house in an unfashionable corner of an expensive city (San Francisco). I already buy my clothes at relatively inexpensive stores, and expensive private schools are already out o…

Hey, awesome if it's working for you, but "an unfashionable corner of SF" is a pretty long way from the bottom of the ladder.

If you compare yourself to your peers in SF you'll never feel good about that. Too many kids who got lucky in this town walking around with zillions.

What if you moved to one of the more decent parts of the East Bay? Easily cut your rent in half, or if you prefer, you could have twice the space.

Re: HN Help: I'm lost

#198
post #102

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Not sure why you were downvoted? Perhaps for suggesting to leave the wife? It sounds cruel, but who knows, sometimes it might be better for everyone.

The problem is that in this situation he's not just leaving the wife, he's leaving the kids. That is never responsible, not matter what your mental hangups are. If you have kids you would understand this completely.

Well my parents are divorced. I don't agree it is to the best of the kids to stay together no matter what. If the parents are unhappy, they suffer too.

Re: HN Help: I'm lost

#199
I'd recommend some time with that dear old brother, Epictetus:

First decide who you would be, and then do what you must do.

Men shut up tame lions in a cage, and bring them up, and feed them, and some take them around with them. And yet who will call such a lion free? Is it not true that the more softly the lion lives the more slavishly he lives? And what lion, were he to get sense and reason, would care to be one of these lions? Why, yes, and the birds yonder, when they are caught and brought up in cages, what do they suffer in their efforts to escape? And some of them starve to death rather than endure such a life, while even such as live, barely do so, and suffer and pine away, and if ever they find any opening, make their escape. Such is their desire for physical freedom, and a life of independence and freedom from restraint. And what is wrong with you here in your cage? "What a question! My nature is to fly where I please, to live in the open air, to sing when I please. You rob me of all this, and then ask, 'What is wrong with you?'"

More: http://www.archive.org/details/epictetusthedisc010837mbp http://www.archive.org/details/epictetusthedisc010384mbp

Re: HN Help: I'm lost

#200
post #84

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His family might disagree.

Which would deprive his wife and children more? a) Fewer expensive toys, a smaller/no TV, a small house, cheap clothes, and public school? b) A father and husband so busy repressing his pain, so trapped in the anguish of seeing his identity drowned, that he cannot express his true love and strength to them? His family will benefit infinitely more from the joy of his liberation, and his children from the example of a…

I think you're being a little bit dramatic. We're talking about computer professionals. The "pain" we might experience professionally is pretty mild. So we might only have a high paying but not totally self-actualizing job. If that squashes you down so hard you can't express your love to your kids, I'm not sure it's the job that's the problem.

And going the entrepreneurial route isn't exactly a way to spend more time with your kids.

I agree that escaping the rat race is a good thing overall for the family, I just disagree with the dichotomy you're presenting here.

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