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Hoomi Delivers on Facebook Login’s Broken Promise

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Re: Hoomi Delivers on Facebook Login’s Broken Promise

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Post by redplasticcup »

depoll wrote: post #17
mak4athp wrote: post #16

Why would successful developers and publishers integrate Hoomi? Is user demand for Hoomi their only incentive? Or is there a positive benefit for them as well? If the former, it's not clear why developers would rush to support it until it accumulates a very large and uncompromising user base; and building that user base will be hard without a lot of apps/sites already integrating it.

There's definitely a benefit to developers. Hoomi provides an alternative to social login as well as an easy way to get single sign-on across their suites of applications. Furthermore, developers can adopt Hoomi rather than adding their own email/password-based login mechanism and avoid having to build screens for login, signup, email/phone verification, password reset, account management, etc. Essentially, developer…

>> Hoomi provides an alternative to social login as well as an easy way to get single sign-on across their suites of applications

How does "an alternative to social login" itself benefit developers? Every other benefit you've listed out is already being provided by social login providers.

Re: Hoomi Delivers on Facebook Login’s Broken Promise

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Post by ivang »

redplasticcup wrote: post #21
depoll wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's definitely a benefit to developers. Hoomi provides an alternative to social login as well as an easy way to get single sign-on across their suites of applications. Furthermore, developers can adopt Hoomi rather than adding their own email/password-based login mechanism and avoid having to build screens for login, signup, email/phone verification, password reset, account management, etc. Essentially, developer…

>> Hoomi provides an alternative to social login as well as an easy way to get single sign-on across their suites of applications How does "an alternative to social login" itself benefit developers? Every other benefit you've listed out is already being provided by social login providers.

Users are reluctant to use social login given the context of social login being sharing. This sharing sometimes results in accidental sharing or over sharing with the application and its users or "friends" on the providers social network.

Re: Hoomi Delivers on Facebook Login’s Broken Promise

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Post by redplasticcup »

ivang wrote: post #22
redplasticcup wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> Hoomi provides an alternative to social login as well as an easy way to get single sign-on across their suites of applications How does "an alternative to social login" itself benefit developers? Every other benefit you've listed out is already being provided by social login providers.

Users are reluctant to use social login given the context of social login being sharing. This sharing sometimes results in accidental sharing or over sharing with the application and its users or "friends" on the providers social network.

I'm not trying to be rude, but you're conflating developers with end-users, and didn't really answer my question. I'm curious how developers specifically benefit from integrating with Hoomi, over other social identity providers.

Re: Hoomi Delivers on Facebook Login’s Broken Promise

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Post by jamshid »

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #9

I'd say Mozilla's Persona delivers it best: * Mozilla doesn't have any information on you * Mozilla doesn't store your password if possible, and instead falls back to your email provider (but they do NOT learn which site you logged into) * It can eventually be decentralised and browser-integrated (though this may have been abandoned) * The site only knows your email address I can't remember, but I don't know if Mozil…

sadly doesn't seem like Mozilla Persona is a good go-forward project http://identity.mozilla.com/post/78873831485/transitioning-p...

Re: Hoomi Delivers on Facebook Login’s Broken Promise

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Post by ivang »

redplasticcup wrote: post #24
ivang wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Users are reluctant to use social login given the context of social login being sharing. This sharing sometimes results in accidental sharing or over sharing with the application and its users or "friends" on the providers social network.

I'm not trying to be rude, but you're conflating developers with end-users, and didn't really answer my question. I'm curious how developers specifically benefit from integrating with Hoomi, over other social identity providers.

Developers want to convert as many users as possible into their apps. Social login turns off individuals that care about their privacy. Developers that adopt Hoomi don't have to implement an alternative to social login.

Re: Hoomi Delivers on Facebook Login’s Broken Promise

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel »

jamshid wrote: post #25
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #9

I'd say Mozilla's Persona delivers it best: * Mozilla doesn't have any information on you * Mozilla doesn't store your password if possible, and instead falls back to your email provider (but they do NOT learn which site you logged into) * It can eventually be decentralised and browser-integrated (though this may have been abandoned) * The site only knows your email address I can't remember, but I don't know if Mozil…

sadly doesn't seem like Mozilla Persona is a good go-forward project http://identity.mozilla.com/post/78873831485/transitioning-p...

Well, it's not abandoned, just Mozilla isn't really leading the charge now. If more people adopt it, perhaps they could be convinced to fund development once again.

Re: Hoomi Delivers on Facebook Login’s Broken Promise

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel »

i80and wrote: post #18
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #9

I'd say Mozilla's Persona delivers it best: * Mozilla doesn't have any information on you * Mozilla doesn't store your password if possible, and instead falls back to your email provider (but they do NOT learn which site you logged into) * It can eventually be decentralised and browser-integrated (though this may have been abandoned) * The site only knows your email address I can't remember, but I don't know if Mozil…

It's pretty darn easy to integrate, too; I used it for a toy project, and it was really quite pleasant!

Yep. I've used it for a few sites because it's simple to implement and saves me the hassle of making my own registration system. Actually, I've used it for every site I've made requiring login, except for one which sadly couldn't use it (targeting the Nintendo 3DS web browser, which is legacy WebKit).

Re: Hoomi Delivers on Facebook Login’s Broken Promise

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Post by SchizoDuckie »

I'm going to be a bit blunt maybe, but this is my response to this 'yet another single sign on mechanism' post

- Who is Hoomi, and why should I trust them with credentials for other sites?

- Who is using this already, and why will users trust this? Any big names?

- How long will this project live? How is it funded?

- Do you know that your logo looks way too much like utorrent's, but upsidedown?

- Has this been battle-tested against hackers?

I'm sorry, but i'm not excited.

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