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Re: GNU Hurd 0.6 released

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Post by MichaelGG »

e40 wrote: post #8
duncan_bayne wrote: post #2

I'm sure there will be a few people chuckling at the news that the Hurd is still under development. Yesterday I learned from one of my colleagues that the newer versions of OSX will only run kernel extensions signed by Apple. The need for the GNU project is as great now as it was in the 1980s.

Yesterday I learned from one of my colleagues that the newer versions of OSX will only run kernel extensions signed by Apple. Oh, no, won't this kill or greatly hurt the hackintosh community's ability to install on non-Apple hardware?

I would imagine that hacking out that bit of code would just be another hurdle to cross in making a Hackintosh?

So long as the hardware doesn't require Secure Boot, anyways.

Re: GNU Hurd 0.6 released

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Post by bsaul »

ics wrote: post #4
duncan_bayne wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... and there's the inevitable downvote for criticising Apple. If you disagree with my assertion that Apple is providing a need for software freedom in 2015, please post it. I'd love to discuss it; voting buttons are no substitute for discourse.

Unless your post is blasted into oblivion it could just as well be fat-fingering an upvote on mobile.

Yes, that the weirdest UX feature of HN. In the age of mobile, having two 10px high buttons with opposite meaning separated by 5pixel is absurd.

Re: GNU Hurd 0.6 released

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Post by stonogo »

madez wrote: post #9
jheriko wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i'm chuckling a bit. but then the whole GNU ecosystem is about catering to a tiny minority with special priorities... inside of an even tinier minority of users of open source OSes. I'm sure I am just an outsider who doesn't really understand the needs or the motivations... Linux does well in the server world, and Apple get a lot of attention, but even then, between them, they account for something like 4% of OS inst…

Do you realize that mobile devices like smartphones and tablets most often have a linux-based or an apple-delivered OS? Following Gartner [1], 60% of all devices shipped in 2014 have an OS based on Linux or delivered by Apple. Do you think that a law that prohibits making other people slaves is non-free in nature? Because the GPL prohibits something similiar. [1] https://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2954317

Your invocation of slavery to generate sympathy for your political goals is disgusting.

Re: GNU Hurd 0.6 released

#16

Post by SEJeff »

jheriko wrote: post #6
duncan_bayne wrote: post #2

I'm sure there will be a few people chuckling at the news that the Hurd is still under development. Yesterday I learned from one of my colleagues that the newer versions of OSX will only run kernel extensions signed by Apple. The need for the GNU project is as great now as it was in the 1980s.

i'm chuckling a bit. but then the whole GNU ecosystem is about catering to a tiny minority with special priorities... inside of an even tinier minority of users of open source OSes. I'm sure I am just an outsider who doesn't really understand the needs or the motivations... Linux does well in the server world, and Apple get a lot of attention, but even then, between them, they account for something like 4% of OS inst…

Lets see, how much do you see Windows on:

- in-car infotainment systems

- in-flight infotainment systems

- running digital billboards

- mobile phones (hello android, meego, maemo, webos, etc)

- smart televisions

- smart dvd/blue ray players

- etc

You see Linux out in force on all of the above mentioned hardware platforms.

The global Linux installbase absolutely dwarfs Windows in comparison by the simple nature that Linux runs on more hardware architectures than any general purpose operating system ever created (which rules out iTron, eTron, and the tron variants).

Pretty much all of the new IoT "smart devices" are some Linux variant as well. I could go on and on, but really think you miss the forest for the trees here.

Yes Windows beats the snot out of Linux on the Desktop. The desktop is quickly becoming irrelevant as the world becomes more connected.

Re: GNU Hurd 0.6 released

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Post by joshuapants »

bsaul wrote: post #12
ics wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless your post is blasted into oblivion it could just as well be fat-fingering an upvote on mobile.

Yes, that the weirdest UX feature of HN. In the age of mobile, having two 10px high buttons with opposite meaning separated by 5pixel is absurd.

And the complete inability to change your vote after the fact.

Re: GNU Hurd 0.6 released

#18

Post by joshuapants »

stonogo wrote: post #15
madez wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you realize that mobile devices like smartphones and tablets most often have a linux-based or an apple-delivered OS? Following Gartner [1], 60% of all devices shipped in 2014 have an OS based on Linux or delivered by Apple. Do you think that a law that prohibits making other people slaves is non-free in nature? Because the GPL prohibits something similiar. [1] https://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2954317

Your invocation of slavery to generate sympathy for your political goals is disgusting.

No, it's quite similar. The GPL doesn't inhibit freedom, it inhibits the power to erode freedom.

Re: GNU Hurd 0.6 released

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Post by 0x0 »

duncan_bayne wrote: post #2

I'm sure there will be a few people chuckling at the news that the Hurd is still under development. Yesterday I learned from one of my colleagues that the newer versions of OSX will only run kernel extensions signed by Apple. The need for the GNU project is as great now as it was in the 1980s.

Windows has required code signing for kernel drivers since Vista on x64.

Also, OSX doesn't require the kexts to be signed by Apple themselves - the requirement is that the kext is signed by a certificate that is blessed by Apple's CA. There are plenty of third party kexts out there.

Also, you can modify the bootloader's kernel parameters to disable kext signing and you will be back where you were on 10.9 security-wise.

A much bigger problem is how Microsoft is no longer requiring Windows 10 compatible PCs to ship with a way to disable Secure Boot.

Re: GNU Hurd 0.6 released

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Post by oldmanjay »

joshuapants wrote: post #18
stonogo wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your invocation of slavery to generate sympathy for your political goals is disgusting.

No, it's quite similar. The GPL doesn't inhibit freedom, it inhibits the power to erode freedom.

The only way you can consider this "quite similar" is if you are using a rhetorical flourish to manipulate the listener emotionally. Which is, of course, what is being done here, and not for the first time on this particular topic.

Just remember, hyperbole serves no master. Employ it at the risk of having it employed right back against you.

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