Hoomi Delivers on Facebook Login’s Broken Promise
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Hoomi Delivers on Facebook Login’s Broken Promise
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Re: Hoomi Delivers on Facebook Login’s Broken Promise
#2OP here. Excited to start showing this stuff to the world. We think identity and login are really broken today, especially on devices that are becoming smarter (mobile, TV, etc.), and we are hoping to provide a solution that lets you take an identity with you wherever you want/need it.
Since we're not a social network, we can avoid a lot of the risk and confusion about how to use the product without accidentally sharing too much information, and really focus on building a first-class identity product.
We're happy to answer questions if you have them. There's more to come, soon!
Re: Hoomi Delivers on Facebook Login’s Broken Promise
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Re: Hoomi Delivers on Facebook Login’s Broken Promise
#4OP here. Excited to start showing this stuff to the world. We think identity and login are really broken today, especially on devices that are becoming smarter (mobile, TV, etc.), and we are hoping to provide a solution that lets you take an identity with you wherever you want/need it. Since we're not a social network, we can avoid a lot of the risk and confusion about how to use the product without accidentally shar…
So, the biggest draw of the social-network-based logins (as well as their biggest flaw) was that you probably already had an account. With Hoomi, what's the advantage of using your Hoomi account rather than just giving an email address?
Also, how does this compare (in both features and privacy) to Persona?
Re: Hoomi Delivers on Facebook Login’s Broken Promise
#5OP here. Excited to start showing this stuff to the world. We think identity and login are really broken today, especially on devices that are becoming smarter (mobile, TV, etc.), and we are hoping to provide a solution that lets you take an identity with you wherever you want/need it. Since we're not a social network, we can avoid a lot of the risk and confusion about how to use the product without accidentally shar…
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Re: Hoomi Delivers on Facebook Login’s Broken Promise
#6OP here. Excited to start showing this stuff to the world. We think identity and login are really broken today, especially on devices that are becoming smarter (mobile, TV, etc.), and we are hoping to provide a solution that lets you take an identity with you wherever you want/need it. Since we're not a social network, we can avoid a lot of the risk and confusion about how to use the product without accidentally shar…
So, the biggest draw of the social-network-based logins (as well as their biggest flaw) was that you probably already had an account. With Hoomi, what's the advantage of using your Hoomi account rather than just giving an email address? Also, how does this compare (in both features and privacy) to Persona?
Hoomi sits somewhere between email/password login and social login. Users still get the benefit of Single Sign-on (that grows as more developers adopt), but don't have to have (or tie their account to) a social profile. You're also welcome to use your phone number to create a Hoomi account.
As far as Persona goes, one of the major differences is the primacy of mobile as a medium for login. And while Persona focuses on using email addresses as identifiers, we go one step further than that, isolating users/apps into their own ID spaces that aren't tied to any particular existing identifier. As a result, a user can change their email address with us without disrupting their service or updating their applications (https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Persona/The_implementor_...), and users don't have to divulge this information if it's not necessary, as with apps that just use login for personalization.
We're rapidly building and adding features to Hoomi, and you can expect to see the benefits to users and develoeprs grow as we flesh out users' ability to create profiles for themselves that they can give their apps access to.
Re: Hoomi Delivers on Facebook Login’s Broken Promise
#7I'm excited for the possibilities this opens up, but I have some questions.
How does this service pay for itself? If its not a for-pay service how can I know you're not trying to amass a database of info to resell to marketers?
I like the idea of anonymous login, but how anonymous exactly is this? Of course I have to auth to your site so you know my IP, how long do you keep logs for? If I don't login for 6 months can I rest assured that my IP is gone from your logs and can't be tied to my account until I auth again?
Re: Hoomi Delivers on Facebook Login’s Broken Promise
#8OP here. Excited to start showing this stuff to the world. We think identity and login are really broken today, especially on devices that are becoming smarter (mobile, TV, etc.), and we are hoping to provide a solution that lets you take an identity with you wherever you want/need it. Since we're not a social network, we can avoid a lot of the risk and confusion about how to use the product without accidentally shar…
Thanks for this great product. Definitely going to try this out.
What are your plans to push this into market and How are you planning to attract both app devs and end users to use your product?
Re: Hoomi Delivers on Facebook Login’s Broken Promise
#9I'd say Mozilla's Persona delivers it best:
* Mozilla doesn't have any information on you
* Mozilla doesn't store your password if possible, and instead falls back to your email provider (but they do NOT learn which site you logged into)
* It can eventually be decentralised and browser-integrated (though this may have been abandoned)
* The site only knows your email address
I can't remember, but I don't know if Mozilla knows which sites you log into, either.
Re: Hoomi Delivers on Facebook Login’s Broken Promise
#10I'm excited for the possibilities this opens up, but I have some questions. How does this service pay for itself? If its not a for-pay service how can I know you're not trying to amass a database of info to resell to marketers? I like the idea of anonymous login, but how anonymous exactly is this? Of course I have to auth to your site so you know my IP, how long do you keep logs for? If I don't login for 6 months can…
We will eventually have some premium services that developers can get access to that will help them engage with their users or administer their services.
As for "Anonymous" login, that's Facebook's term for the service they promised (and we don't use it in our own description of the product for exactly the reasons you mentioned). We act as brokers between apps and users for their data, which includes an identifier that can be used for login. When an app chooses not to ask for personal data, we let the user know that we won't be sharing any of their information with the application.