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Re: Space X CR6 First stage landing

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Space X would like to return Falcon to dry land, but given the high chance of failure, they're first trying to do it on the drone ship "Just Read the Instructions" at sea. That way when things go wrong, it's not such a big deal.

But if the sea is the problem...

It's a carefully considered tradeoff. They've managed to get to the drone ship successfully twice now, and they will need this kind of accuracy in the future.

Re: Space X CR6 First stage landing

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Non-engineers see this as a failure. Engineers and scientists see this as an awe-inspiring success from which to learn, iterate and try again. I don't fault reporters for exagerated headlined focusing on failure. They don't know any better. That is not what their lives are about and most might be challenged to understand that nothing in that video constitutes failure in the context of evolving a design. In fact, failure is absolutely necessary in order to better understand the problem you are trying to solve.

Re: Space X CR6 First stage landing

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This is an "unpublished video" on a non-SpaceX YouTube channel. Who uploaded this?

From reading the comments over on /r/spacex, this looks to originally have been an unlisted video in SpaceX's youtube channel, and shortly after appearing on reddit it was made private. Not before several people had made copies, however, and re-uploaded it (one of those people has the same reddit username as the youtube channel linked here). That said, impressive video. This shows how close they are truly getting. Un…

According to a comment from a collaborator of Musk, saying they dealt with larger public distrust before, clickbait headlines won't make a difference to Musk and his team. I'm sure they'll get through with this one.

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What happens once it lands successfully? Won't one stray wave tip it right over into the ocean? Those landing struts are only 1/10 the length of the rocket. If this wasn't so tall, it wouldn't be nearly the problem that it is. Are they perhaps really trying to develop a Dragon landing system? And using this extra tall rocket as a worst-case scenario?

I'm not an expert, but here's my understanding: > What happens once it lands successfully? It becomes a lot easier to get permission to attempt a landing on dry land. But, as I understand it, they will always need to land some rockets at sea. In the long run, they hope that they can then re-use the rocket, which will drastically reduce the cost of launches. > Are they perhaps really trying to develop a Dragon landing…

>But, as I understand it, they will always need to land some rockets at sea.

Yeah, this is something I didn't realize. Flying back to land requires fuel, which cuts into the payload capacity. If a payload is too close to capacity, a sea landing may be the only option.

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Non-engineers see this as a failure. Engineers and scientists see this as an awe-inspiring success from which to learn, iterate and try again. I don't fault reporters for exagerated headlined focusing on failure. They don't know any better. That is not what their lives are about and most might be challenged to understand that nothing in that video constitutes failure in the context of evolving a design. In fact, fail…

I don't agree that failure is absolutely necessary. I think success is generally more informative, because it gives you data about something that works end to end.

If your rocket blows up on the launch pad, you just learned that you shouldn't overpressure your fuel tank (or w/e). But if your rocket lifts off, goes to space, and lands, you learn thousands of things that work that you can use again.

Re: Space X CR6 First stage landing

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Why did it explode in such a dramatic fashion? I thought the booster was almost entirely empty when it returns to the barge.

There is always some extra fuel and oxidizer, as it is used to slow the vehicle, and is needed until touchdown. If the vehicle were to run out of propellant before landing, it would crash. In addition, the LOX makes any combustion spectacular.

Complete destruction is obviously expensive. Finding a way to prevent an explosion if it falls over after landing seems worthwhile.

If it hovered for 5 seconds at .5 meters, for example, could it burn off enough extra fuel?

Re: Space X CR6 First stage landing

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Anybody know anything about the tech they're using to guide the stage to the barge? Since the flight is so short, I suppose they could get a GPS position on the barge at liftoff and pre-program that as the initial target, but I'd think they need some kind of terminal guidance actually tracking the barge to hit it reliably. Maybe visual or radar, or a radio beacon or something?

Re: Space X CR6 First stage landing

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What happens once it lands successfully? Won't one stray wave tip it right over into the ocean? Those landing struts are only 1/10 the length of the rocket. If this wasn't so tall, it wouldn't be nearly the problem that it is. Are they perhaps really trying to develop a Dragon landing system? And using this extra tall rocket as a worst-case scenario?

From Elon's AMA: How would the Falcon 9 would be secured onto the deck of its autonomous spaceport drone ship?

"Mostly gravity. The center of gravity is pretty low for the booster, as all the engines and residual propellant is at the bottom. We are going to weld steel shoes over the landing feet as a precautionary measure."

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