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Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

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Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

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Patents. That's what this has to be about. Produce little to nothing and just sue for royalties on other manufacturers.

For example, If you use T-Mobile in some markets, that's Nokia-Siemens, if you use AT&T, thats also NSN, plus ALU - Verizon, ALU, Sprint, Samsung, Ericsson or ALU depends on market.

They make very very real, very expensive products.

Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

#112
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. It wasn't Elop who created one of the most dysfunctional software development units ever. He was brought in when the damage of previous bad management was just becoming fully apparent. Nokia in 2007-2010 was spending many times more than Apple on R&D. For that money, they got multiple infighting operating system teams each developing their own half-baked thing (Symbian, MeeGo, Qt, S40) and device teams that wer…

Two words: burning platform. http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2012/06/the-fin... There was just no reason to write a memo like that. It destroyed their business, almost singlehandedly, and no, I'm not exaggerating. The consequences of that memo were insane: Nokia's handset sales died all over the world all at once.

"By every measure that the industry uses, Nokia Symbian smartphone sales grew from Q3 of 2010 to Q4 of 2010, literally the last full quarter before Elop released his Burning Platforms memo."

Q4 sales were higher than Q3 sales? I'm, uh... how about year-over-year comparisons? A seasonally-adjusted smoothed trendline? Anything OTHER than comparing sales figures in one quarter where there's Christmas and one quarter where there isn't?

Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

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post #18

Essentially this means that Nokia won't get back into consumer hardware for a good while. The mapping division (Here) will probably be sold soon. The mobile networks business is now the primary driver at the company. They'll have their hands full trying to integrate the Alcatel-Lucent networks business with their existing assets. (Remember that Nokia's networks business today is already the result of a merger with Si…

I just hope whoever buys HERE doesn't screw it up. At the moment I do like them more than the google maps. They are also cheaper when it comes to licenses.

Nokia Maps has almost always been better than Google Maps, it's just not well known. Nokia bought Navteq back in '07 I believe, and I used to use Nokia Maps on my N95, which had A-GPS for fast lock (new tech for GPS-enabled phones back then). People were floored that a phone could find POIs/food and do quality navigation. This was all pre-iPhone too.

Even now the current HERE Maps allows you to cache full countries for offline traveling and a bunch of other small features that add-up to leaving GM in the dust. Full offline caching has saved me in a number of situations. If Apple Maps wanted to compete with GM, they should buy HERE... and rename it to something better. It's been renamed about 4 times over the last 8 years.

Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

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Alcatel is one of the main companies that sells FirefoxOS phones here in México. I wonder if it is the same in other countries. And I wonder if this will affect FirefoxOS in the long run? Will they switch to Windows?

Alcatel is not in the phone handset business anymore -- it is just the name that is being used by other manufacturers (perhaps TCL).

Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

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post #90

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Nokia also designed the hardware and wrote the software for the N1, so i wouldn't call it a traditional brand licensing thing a la Kodak/Polaroid. I should know, I was PM on it.

I am glad to see Nokia still making strides in any/all areas they can, i love their phones, still do but dont own one for obvious reasons,

I still have my Lumia Icon (Windows platform) and it still out specs most smartphones. It was a solid phone, and I only switched back to Android because of the lack app support from Android and iOS developers.

With more developers starting to port their apps to the Windows platform, I'm considering going back to it.

Just as a comparison:

Display Pixel Density Lumia Icon: 441 Google Nexus 6 (new): 493

Camera Lumia Icon: 20MB Google Nexus 6 (new): 13MB

Processor: Lumia Icon: Quad core, 2200 MHz, Krait 400 Google Nexus 6 (new): Quad core, 2700 MHz, Krait 450

System Memory: Lumia Icon: 2048 MB RAM Google Nexus 6 (new): 3072 MB RAM

Keep in mind the Lumia was released in February 2014, The Nexus 6 was in November of 2015

Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

#116
post #11

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Don't forget that Microsoft('s lackey) took care of lowering their value as much as possible before buying the Devices and Services unit for some spare change.

Nokia were doing awesome right until then! I fricking loved Symbian, so much better than Android/iOS. Oh. wait, no, it actually was complete garbage. But yes, Elop ruined their kick-ass smartphones. Gimme a break.

:-)

I think that the truth is that: 1. The Finns got too cocky for their own good. 2. The forget to monitor the other guys. 3. Apple predictably made a smartphone (years after the ipod) and made a silly amount of money, and was dominating the high-end segment after a really short while. 4. Google decided to own the mobile ads market, and basically just not care about the hardware, and was starting to dominate virtually every other segment. 5. Nokia had a few platforms, some apps, and only the dying feature phone market, and they realized this.

They would have had a chance (maybe) to go for Android, but judging by for instance Sony (that I think build the best phones. period. ) it is really hard to compete with high-end stuff against Apple.

Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

#117
post #19

So it's Nokia-Siemens-Alcatel-Lucent? A powerhouse!

Hans Vesterberg, the current CEO of Ericsson noted that 10 years ago Nokia, Siemens, Alcatel, Lucent and Motorola was Ericsson largest competitors, all more or less the same size. Now the merged Nokia is as big as Ericsson. Almost.

10 years ago Huawei was busy stealing^^^inventing new technology, but now they are more or less the same size as Ericsson, but growing like hell.

Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

#118
post #94

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Two words: burning platform. http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2012/06/the-fin... There was just no reason to write a memo like that. It destroyed their business, almost singlehandedly, and no, I'm not exaggerating. The consequences of that memo were insane: Nokia's handset sales died all over the world all at once.

> There was just no reason to write a memo like that There was a very good reason to write it. Internally Nokia was delusional and confused, and desperately needed a wake-up call. Nothing less would have sufficed.

Nokia was delusional internally, but can you really make an argument that what they did was reasonable? Is there any world where it was better for them to choose Windows over Android?

That only happened because of Elop's previous Microsoft connections and it was clearly the wrong decision for the shareholders of the company.

Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

#119
post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two words: burning platform. http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2012/06/the-fin... There was just no reason to write a memo like that. It destroyed their business, almost singlehandedly, and no, I'm not exaggerating. The consequences of that memo were insane: Nokia's handset sales died all over the world all at once.

We don't have more than quarter-level visibility. All we know is that Q1 2011 sales crashed and Elop wrote his memo. Which is the cause and which the consequence? In Q4 2010, Nokia stuffed the channel with outdated products. In a market that was growing accustomed to iPhone and Android, Nokia tried to sell consumers products based on the first touch edition of Symbian S60 -- the same software that was considered outd…

The fallout from that memo was instantaneous and widespread. I worked in wireless at the time and everyone I knew at all of the carriers began to pull Nokia inventory. This was not true in many markets.

Even if the burning platform concept was correct, releasing it in a companywide email instead of strategically shifting the company and then announcing the change in a measured, considered fashion would've been much better for their cash flows.

Purchasers at large operators don't turn on a dime, usually, but I would argue that the CEO of a handset manufacturer declaring their entire existing lineup of products is going to be discontinued in viscerally graphic terms is one of the things that might spur such quick change.

Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

#120
post #81

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Symbian may have been stagnant, but unless you are a Wall Street day trader you didn't much care. Symbian could demo capabilities that iOS and Android are just now sprouting (and the press is going gaga about it as if it is something completely new groan ).

My best friend got an E90 shortly after it came out. I was so jealous of him for ages. The dialer was particularly awesome. It was the first time I saw a dialer that a) had untrained voice dialing and b) had vocal caller ID.

+1

I had untrained voice dialing IN GREEK for years on my Nokia 701. And it actually worked correctly!

My brand new kitkat-soon-to-be-lolipop device cannot even voice dial English names.

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