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Would You Let the I.R.S. Prepare Your Taxes?

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Re: Would You Let the I.R.S. Prepare Your Taxes?

#11
> If you’re a typical American and you get this packet from the I.R.S. that says, ‘Here’s what we’ve determined your liability is,’ no one is going to challenge it

That's the biggest load I have ever heard. I have anecdotal evidence that the theory is incorrect (in South Africa we get filled-returns): all my friends validate, or pay someone to validate, their returns. Mr. Ellis has absolutely no evidence what-so-ever in support of his theory.

Re: Would You Let the I.R.S. Prepare Your Taxes?

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The answer you aren't looking for is that Intuit doesn't actually control the US government.

It's clear they have significant influence on this matter.

If you could convince legislators that their constituents cared about the issue (in meaningful numbers), the lobbying would be irrelevant.

The lobbying just looks like a lot of influence because it is more noticeable than all the not caring.

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post #4

Of course I would, since they already do . Whatever I submit is checked by them anyway, and it's generally too expensive and painful to challenge them. So…why do I have to pay the Intuit tax every year?

>So…why do I have to pay the Intuit tax every year? Because you choose to?

Because Intuit bribes, er contributes to, Congress.

Re: Would You Let the I.R.S. Prepare Your Taxes?

#14
People saying "Intuit controls the government" are missing the forest for the trees. The IRS doesn't compute your taxes and send you a bill because then you'll forget you ever had the money in the first place. Lots of people want to make paying taxes painful, so once a year you have to spend hours facing the reality of how much money the government is taking from your paycheck.[1] Intuit just jumped on the bandwagon. It's a probably the most common lobbying tactic: support a position that politicians want to do anyway.

[1] It works too. We love paying our taxes, but my wife and I have been stewing for a week about the patriarchal bullsht that is the marriage penalty. The problem is that the rage subsides by Election Day--they should move tax season to October.

Re: Would You Let the I.R.S. Prepare Your Taxes?

#15
I have done taxes using the free way historically, on TurboTax. This year, I again opted for 'no charge' option, went though, and at the very end had to pay $104.00 without any explanation. I tried going back but I couldn't find if I had mistakingly selected something because they throw in payed options as you go. But I couldn't find or change anything, so decided to file instead of doing taxes the old fashioned paper way. I still have a bitter feeling, like I got scammed. I talked to a few friends and they had similar experiences, especially their older parents ending up paying more then a hundred dollars. I really hope IRS filing will happen, but with the amount of money they are skimming off poor folks and insider lobbying, I can't imagine it will.

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post #11

> If you’re a typical American and you get this packet from the I.R.S. that says, ‘Here’s what we’ve determined your liability is,’ no one is going to challenge it That's the biggest load I have ever heard. I have anecdotal evidence that the theory is incorrect (in South Africa we get filled-returns): all my friends validate, or pay someone to validate, their returns. Mr. Ellis has absolutely no evidence what-so-ever…

I would argue that the trend of Americans never challenging phone/cable bills suggests that his theory might hold some water, at least in the US. If the IRS shows a really good track record of not screwing them up in any way, people will just accept it as free money, only challenging when they owe money.

Re: Would You Let the I.R.S. Prepare Your Taxes?

#17

As an non-american this baffles me. Why is there so much distrust towards the government, police, and military in US ? Isn't the US the oldest democracy ? Society is built on trust - once that doesn't exist then nothing gets done.

Isn't the US the oldest democracy?

No. Not by about 2500 years in ancient Greece.

Re: Would You Let the I.R.S. Prepare Your Taxes?

#18

If it came with some sort of indemnity from audit penalties, and as long as I could amend or re-file with my own calculated return, yes.

Do you mean indemnity against errors in the return, or would you also include indemnity against missed information?

(The latter could conceivably include information that a taxpayer intentionally sought to hide from the IRS)

Re: Would You Let the I.R.S. Prepare Your Taxes?

#19

As an non-american this baffles me. Why is there so much distrust towards the government, police, and military in US ? Isn't the US the oldest democracy ? Society is built on trust - once that doesn't exist then nothing gets done.

Some people in US think the IRS has no legitimacy

> Society is built on trust

Well in US there are like 2 levels of government, the state gvt and the federal one. Some people think the federal gvt is despotic and abuses the powers granted by the constitution.

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