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Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

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Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

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Post by ed_blackburn »

I was an under graduate engineer at Nortel Networks in the late nineties and early nougties writing code and building rigs to automate the testing of OC192 tx / rx components before they were assembled and usually dropped under the ocean.

I was amazed at the capabilities of this hardware and the next generation from both Nortel and its competitors,like Lucent.

It amazes me what is achievable but not viable for mass production. Or desirable by customers (good enough).

An industry that matters so much. With no backbone there is no network in so many places. Perhaps a few mergers will unlock the doors?

Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

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Post by dagw »

Aoyagi wrote: post #31
dagw wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Come on. Nokia was doing a fine job of lowering the value of their handset business on their own.

Yes, but Symbian development was spinning up again, MeeGo had an amazing potential. WP was absolutely not ready to be sold.

I was working at a place trying to do smartphone type stuff with symbian way before it was cool and have been a MeeGo fan since the days when it was called Maemo so I'm about as a big a fanboy of both as they come.

But the truth is that Symbian had simply been stagnant for too long and would never catch up and MeeGo for all its potential was just another platform with even less backing than WP and even less ready to be sold. Had they decided to really go for it with on of Symbian or MeeGo a few years earlier and gotten on the smartphone bandwagon then I might have my MeeGo Lumia device I so wanted, but they didn't and by the time they realized their mistake it was too late. As much as I hate to admit it and as much as it didn't necessarily work out very well, going with WP was probably a good decision at the time

Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

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Post by steamy »

vnglst wrote: post #5

I don't really understand how this works. Microsoft bought Nokia for about $7B[1] and now Nokia pays more than twice that amount for Alcatel? Where is this money coming from and why is Alcatel worth so much more? [1] http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-closes-nokia-acquis...

It's shares only (all-stock) deal. No cash changing hands. Did you read the Recode article?

Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

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Post by Aoyagi »

dagw wrote: post #43
Aoyagi wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but Symbian development was spinning up again, MeeGo had an amazing potential. WP was absolutely not ready to be sold.

I was working at a place trying to do smartphone type stuff with symbian way before it was cool and have been a MeeGo fan since the days when it was called Maemo so I'm about as a big a fanboy of both as they come. But the truth is that Symbian had simply been stagnant for too long and would never catch up and MeeGo for all its potential was just another platform with even less backing than WP and even less ready to…

Yeah, it's true that the stagnation was a huge letdown, but when N8 and later 808 came out, I strongly believe the OS was (and still is to a degree) competitive. Incomparably more so than WP7 devices which first came out around the time of 808 as well.

Just out of curiosity, what do you mean "smartphone type stuff"? Symbian has been a smartphone OS since its inception.

Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

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Post by n8m »

pavlov wrote: post #34
n8m wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just hope whoever buys HERE doesn't screw it up. At the moment I do like them more than the google maps. They are also cheaper when it comes to licenses.

I think Samsung will pick up Here. Seems like a bargain for them. Samsung has been slowly building up their own "shadow stack" for mobile. They have everything from the OS up, but map data is a huge missing piece. Also, I think Samsung's homegrown Tizen OS has some ambitions on the automobile side, and that's a market where Here has been doing well.

I've heard rumours Samsung is already using HERE heavily internally. So it would make sense- but what will happen to the other that are currently using it to (they've mentioned Microsoft, BMW etc. in the article).

Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

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Post by Maakuth »

alphadevx wrote: post #39

I'm curious to know what this means for a potential Palm revival now, given this: http://www.webosnation.com/its-confirmed-tcl-bringing-back-p...

Very likely nothing at all. Isn't TCL just an Alcatel brand licensee? So it's not connected to Alcatel-Lucent in other ways than the name.

edit: question mark

Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

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Post by chernevik »

It's possible that the French government's approval of the deal is a dim glimmer of deregulation:

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/38b9dbf6-e2bd-11e4-bf4b-00144...

As tangents go this is an important one. Structural issues are strangling European growth and employment. Reform in France alone would make a big difference, and help pave the way for truly screwed up economies like Italy and Spain.

Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

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Post by pjmlp »

Juha wrote: post #22
vnglst wrote: post #5

I don't really understand how this works. Microsoft bought Nokia for about $7B[1] and now Nokia pays more than twice that amount for Alcatel? Where is this money coming from and why is Alcatel worth so much more? [1] http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-closes-nokia-acquis...

Nokia Networks has been very separate venture from the better known Nokia-mobile. It was previously a joint venture between Nokia and Siemens known as NSN (Nokia Siemens Networks). In 2013 Nokia bought rest of the stock from Siemens and renamed it Nokia Networks.

Yeah former Nokia Networks employee here, that whole NSN thing was a big mistake.
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