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Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

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Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

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Don't forget that Microsoft('s lackey) took care of lowering their value as much as possible before buying the Devices and Services unit for some spare change.

Come on. Nokia was doing a fine job of lowering the value of their handset business on their own.

Yes, but Symbian development was spinning up again, MeeGo had an amazing potential. WP was absolutely not ready to be sold.

Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

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Microsoft only bought the handset business from Nokia, they didn't purchase all of Nokia. In fact, as I recall, they only got the right to use some of the brand names for a limited period of time.

Right, that makes sense! And the Alcatel that Nokia is buying here, is much more than a producer of phones.

Actually the Alcatel-Lucent they bought do not produce phones at all ;) A while ago Alcatel got with TCL, a Chinese company, to take care of the handset business through a joint-venture initially. Then TCL bought and integrated the JV, and kept the rights to the Alcatel brand for handsets. The brand is likely to stay but it's now fully TCL (with still some ex-Alcatel employees).

Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

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Essentially this means that Nokia won't get back into consumer hardware for a good while. The mapping division (Here) will probably be sold soon. The mobile networks business is now the primary driver at the company. They'll have their hands full trying to integrate the Alcatel-Lucent networks business with their existing assets. (Remember that Nokia's networks business today is already the result of a merger with Si…

I just hope whoever buys HERE doesn't screw it up. At the moment I do like them more than the google maps. They are also cheaper when it comes to licenses.

I think Samsung will pick up Here. Seems like a bargain for them.

Samsung has been slowly building up their own "shadow stack" for mobile. They have everything from the OS up, but map data is a huge missing piece.

Also, I think Samsung's homegrown Tizen OS has some ambitions on the automobile side, and that's a market where Here has been doing well.

Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

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Essentially this means that Nokia won't get back into consumer hardware for a good while. The mapping division (Here) will probably be sold soon. The mobile networks business is now the primary driver at the company. They'll have their hands full trying to integrate the Alcatel-Lucent networks business with their existing assets. (Remember that Nokia's networks business today is already the result of a merger with Si…

Nokia's buying of AL probably means that they won't have to license the brand to Foxconn in order to make hardware. (The N1 is a pretty good tablet though.) Also worth noting is that AL ows a pretty big pool of patents, so I'm not sure what was Nokia's main motivation.

ALU doesn't produce handsets anymore. Alcatel sold their handset business to TCL a while ago, and TCL has the rights to the brand for handsets. So even if the Alcatel name will disappear on the network side, it's likely to remain on handsets but it's just a brand for TCL.

Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

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Essentially this means that Nokia won't get back into consumer hardware for a good while. The mapping division (Here) will probably be sold soon. The mobile networks business is now the primary driver at the company. They'll have their hands full trying to integrate the Alcatel-Lucent networks business with their existing assets. (Remember that Nokia's networks business today is already the result of a merger with Si…

> Nokia is now a formidable competitor to Ericsson and Huawei, but it won't be on Samsung's or Apple's radar again.

Ericsson maybe, but Huawei is a juggernaut that leaves them in the dust (massive growth both in terms of revenue and innovation, especially in emerging markets) .Alcatel-Lucent was really struggling throughout its existence.

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