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Why the sun is a poor dumping ground for nuclear waste (2010)

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Re: Why the sun is a poor dumping ground for nuclear waste (2010)

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Use the Jules Verne solution: a cannon.

A solar powered mass-driver could sling a steady stream of pellets from Earth orbit into Solar non-orbit using existing technology.

That being said, burying it deep near the the start of a plate subduction zone makes at least as much sense.

Re: Why the sun is a poor dumping ground for nuclear waste (2010)

#42

This is all assuming that we don't have a space elevator. tldr; it costs a lot of money to launch mass into space. Sending 1 pound of water into space costs $50,000. This is more than the price of gold on earth. A space elevator changes the economics dramatically.

A space elevator takes care of a portion of the earth escape velocity, still leaving >20 km/s left once you get to the top.

Re: Why the sun is a poor dumping ground for nuclear waste (2010)

#45

Even if it were actually difficult to get to the sun, there are other options that are nearly as effective. Jupiter would be just as good of a dump or we could just launch on an extra solar trajectory. Hell, we could just put it on a large, non-equatorial orbit around the Earth and it would be effectively gone with the added benefit of being able to recover it should we find a reason to. Space is a big enough place t…

Ehhh, orbit's not a great idea, especially lower-earth orbit. There's already enough space junk in our orbit right now that we're running the risk of an orbital chain-reaction. The chain reaction could take out most of our satellites. I'm sure radioactive waste in our upper atmosphere wouldn't be a good thing, either. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kessler_syndrome

You are vastly underestimating the space of possible orbits and vastly overestimating the size of debris and satellites.

Re: Why the sun is a poor dumping ground for nuclear waste (2010)

#46

This is all assuming that we don't have a space elevator. tldr; it costs a lot of money to launch mass into space. Sending 1 pound of water into space costs $50,000. This is more than the price of gold on earth. A space elevator changes the economics dramatically.

No, this is about the speed of the earth relative to the sun. E.g. even if we wanted to shoot, say, the ISS into the sun, it'd be hard. As soon as you point it towards the sun it will go into an elliptical orbit.

Re: Why the sun is a poor dumping ground for nuclear waste (2010)

#47
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Is there any way to use drag to decay the orbit? We don't have to reach the sun quickly . The solar wind is blowing past, is it possible to "sail" against that at an angle and - over time - dump orbital velocity and so end up in the sun?

From my understanding, solar wind can only push the payload further away from the sun and there is no noticeable drag in space or the earth wouldn't orbit for very long. You are probably thinking that you can sail upwind on a sail boat but it isn't the same in space. The boat's keel [1] and general shape keep it going straight which is necessary to sail upwind. That doesn't work in space. Another factor is that a sai…

http://wiki.solarsails.info/index.php/Tacking_Solar_Sails You can tack a solar sail so that it gets closer to the sun, but solar sails need to be very light to work at all... and nuclear waste is heavy.

Re: Why the sun is a poor dumping ground for nuclear waste (2010)

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post #24

I always thought the biggest reason was that if a rocket carrying nuclear waste exploded in our atmosphere, it would be catastrophic. It's a lot less risky to just bury it underground and pray it never leaks.

Or bury the nuclear waste in oceanic trenches. It is out of the way and future generations won't stumble upon it when humans forget where they buried all this stuff.

Re: Why the sun is a poor dumping ground for nuclear waste (2010)

#49
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ehhh, orbit's not a great idea, especially lower-earth orbit. There's already enough space junk in our orbit right now that we're running the risk of an orbital chain-reaction. The chain reaction could take out most of our satellites. I'm sure radioactive waste in our upper atmosphere wouldn't be a good thing, either. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kessler_syndrome

You are vastly underestimating the space of possible orbits and vastly overestimating the size of debris and satellites.

Or possibly you are overestimating the probability of impact beyond which this should be considered too risky.

Re: Why the sun is a poor dumping ground for nuclear waste (2010)

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post #24

I always thought the biggest reason was that if a rocket carrying nuclear waste exploded in our atmosphere, it would be catastrophic. It's a lot less risky to just bury it underground and pray it never leaks.

Or bury the nuclear waste in oceanic trenches. It is out of the way and future generations won't stumble upon it when humans forget where they buried all this stuff.

And if they do, they'd likely be able to handle it.
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