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Fatal silence: Why do so many fortysomething men kill themselves?

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Re: Fatal silence: Why do so many fortysomething men kill themselves?

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So how do you explain the difference between male and female? Women has lower expectations of life or they hit their expectations better than men in general?

Most suicide attempts fail. Men just happen to "fail" less often than women . This is not a good outcome. Every failed suicide attempt is really a good outcome.

Women tend to choose less effective methods, like wrist-cutting or sleeping pills, while men are more likely to choose hanging or shoot themselves.

Re: Fatal silence: Why do so many fortysomething men kill themselves?

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Someone said there's less suicides during times of economic depression, because then there's a generally accepted reason for failure. In times of success, there isn't and so it must be our fault. The more we believe that success of life is based on merit, the more disappointment will occur.

> Someone said there's less suicides during times of economic depression,

They were wrong. There are more suicides (at least, in England) during recession.

Re: Fatal silence: Why do so many fortysomething men kill themselves?

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post #12

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Testosterone usually peaks close to 40 (plus or minus five years), and falls roughly 10% every decade thereafter.

Testosterone actually peaks around age 20 and gradually declines after that, accelerating around age 30. By 40, it's been falling for a long time.

I'm finding vast disagreement over whether testosterone peaks at 20 or closer to 40. Can you provide some good sources?

Some sources show it declining drastically from 20 to 40 (by as much as 90%), others claim it peaks between 35-40 and gradually declines. It seems to be all over the map.

For example:

"Studies show that most men experience a 2% drop-off in testosterone production each year after they turn 30."

http://www.askmen.com/daily/austin_150/155_fashion_style.htm...

"Testosterone Does Not Necessarily Wane With Age"

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/247013.php

"Testosterone levels peak in the mid-20s for both men and women. For women, who have about 1/10 to 1/20 the amount of testosterone that men have, testosterone levels taper off slowly until they plateau around the age of 45. For men, testosterone levels continue to wane into their 70s. By the time women reach menopause, their testosterone levels are about half of what they were in their 20s. Men's testosterone levels decrease by about 1% per year and then drop faster as they approach older age."

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/may/02/health/la-he-midlife...

Re: Fatal silence: Why do so many fortysomething men kill themselves?

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Testosterone actually peaks around age 20 and gradually declines after that, accelerating around age 30. By 40, it's been falling for a long time.

I'm finding vast disagreement over whether testosterone peaks at 20 or closer to 40. Can you provide some good sources? Some sources show it declining drastically from 20 to 40 (by as much as 90%), others claim it peaks between 35-40 and gradually declines. It seems to be all over the map. For example: "Studies show that most men experience a 2% drop-off in testosterone production each year after they turn 30." http:…

I know from personal experience that testosterone peaks much closer to 20 than 40.

Re: Fatal silence: Why do so many fortysomething men kill themselves?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most suicide attempts fail. Men just happen to "fail" less often than women . This is not a good outcome. Every failed suicide attempt is really a good outcome.

Women tend to choose less effective methods, like wrist-cutting or sleeping pills, while men are more likely to choose hanging or shoot themselves.

The interesting question here is why the difference in method choice.

Re: Fatal silence: Why do so many fortysomething men kill themselves?

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I am 40 this year, and while I don't want to kill myself, I understand the feeling of having failed. It is even stronger (IMHO) if you work in start-up/tech because you're either millionaire or... obsolete.

Finding inner peace is important for anybody, but even more critical at 40.

Re: Fatal silence: Why do so many fortysomething men kill themselves?

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post #18

Someone said there's less suicides during times of economic depression, because then there's a generally accepted reason for failure. In times of success, there isn't and so it must be our fault. The more we believe that success of life is based on merit, the more disappointment will occur.

You do raise a good point which is how much credit we can take for our successes and failures. I am by most definitions a "success", but I have doubts about how much of this success was due to me and how much was due to randomness. I guess the positive of this is I can distance myself from my failures too.

Re: Fatal silence: Why do so many fortysomething men kill themselves?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most suicide attempts fail. Men just happen to "fail" less often than women . This is not a good outcome. Every failed suicide attempt is really a good outcome.

Women tend to choose less effective methods, like wrist-cutting or sleeping pills, while men are more likely to choose hanging or shoot themselves.

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Re: Fatal silence: Why do so many fortysomething men kill themselves?

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Why do people suddenly care for others when they had enough of this shitty space rock? You gave no shits the last three decades. Given the rabbit-like pest that we are - why should you?

I want to end my life where and whenever it suits me. Hypocrites please stay away.

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