I saw today on HN PapyrOS. Anyone can explain the difference between the two? (leaving aside that PapyrOS is still unreleased)
Entirely different desktop enviroments, eOS is based on Ubuntu and PapyrOS is based on ArchLinux.
Elementary OS Freya Released
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#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
Since the page is loaded over plaintext, there's no easy way for a normal user to know that the credit card isn't being intercepted by a malicious script. It's not safe to serve a payment page over plaintext HTTP, even if it POSTs to a HTTPS endpoint as it could be modified in transit. Stripe explains that TLS is required in their docs: https://stripe.com/help/ssl
If you read a bit further, the Stripe documentation explains that it is recommended, but not required. You can make live transactions just fine from a regular HTTP page - whether that's a good idea or not is another issue, but making Stripe payments from an HTTPS payment page is not required from an API point of view.
They explain use cases for testing without HTTPS, but make it clear that TLS is required for production use.
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#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
> tap into the elitist osx market I think it would be more accurate to say that they are trying to expand the Linux market by wooing those whose main barrier to using Linux is the UI/UX. Whether or not you find the endeavor to be "noble", the attempt is worth something to the Linux landscape even if your takeaway is "don't run it quite like them".
Well whatever it they're doing guilt tripping people into giving them money for something that's free everywhere else isn't helping.
Woa. Wait a minute. They're merely asking for a donation, which can be set to zero. What's the issue with that? This entitled attitude is what irks me about the OSS movement at large. To a larger extent it puts me and people like me off of open source. More projects should take this approach. I thought that it's free as in Liberty, not as in ride. That's what we're constantly told.
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#64There is no upgrade path from OS Luna (previous release) to Freya. Their own web site states, "elementary OS Luna users should back up their data and perform a clean install". Given that the operating system is built on Ubuntu I should be able to upgrade from Luna to Freya without too many issues. Disappointed? Yes. I wrote this post on my Cr-48 running Elementary OS Luna. Instead of running Apt to update my laptop n…
As a workaround you could probably add their Freya repositories and perform an apt-get upgrade.
Whether or not it would work flawlessly is another question altogether, I would do an image backup of the drive just in case it goes pear shaped.
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
You mean like actual Ubuntu? http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/contribute/?version=1... If you don't see much difference between the UX of the two DE's, I don't think the difference between the "request for donations" UX is that big either. Perhaps there should be some smallish text saying "$0 is a valid custom amount", but that's it. Now, there are of course issues to be discussed about this kinds of donations…
A lot of upset came from the original version of that blog post, especially the now absent sentence > We want users to understand that they’re pretty much cheating the system when they choose not to pay for software.
Ok, that's a bit different, specially if they mean that in the general, unless they are contributing directly to every single project they package with their distro and paying every contributor.
They are still within their rights to decide that their add-ons are proprietary non-zero cost software, at least those add-ons that don't link GPL code/modify LGPL code. But if their main value added is indeed modifying GPL code, and they would consider people who share those modifications for free or get them for free from a third party to be "cheating the system", I can see the issue.
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#66Did anyone try it on recent macbookpro? I have one somewhere I am not using, because i did not like how kde/gnome shell looked on retina screen, and wonder if eOS solved this problem.
If you have a MBP Retina you're not using, maybe I can use it? :)
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#67I can plainly see the backlash they got from that arrogant blog post about 'making you not pay for the download of our ubuntu clone we slapped a pretty ui on' didn't do much at all.
You are relatively new here, but you should've seen this. Please read it. http://blog.ycombinator.com/new-hacker-news-guideline
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#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you read a bit further, the Stripe documentation explains that it is recommended, but not required. You can make live transactions just fine from a regular HTTP page - whether that's a good idea or not is another issue, but making Stripe payments from an HTTPS payment page is not required from an API point of view.
They explain use cases for testing without HTTPS, but make it clear that TLS is required for production use.
Required in the 'it's a good idea because it will make the web more secure and make your customers trust you' sense, not required in the sense that it's something the API enforces.
Re: Elementary OS Freya Released
#69I can plainly see the backlash they got from that arrogant blog post about 'making you not pay for the download of our ubuntu clone we slapped a pretty ui on' didn't do much at all.
You are relatively new here, but you should've seen this. Please read it. http://blog.ycombinator.com/new-hacker-news-guideline
This is a red herring -- the OP's post didn't say anything that was overly or gratuitously negative, at least not compared to many of the other comments on this thread. It's very true that saying that users are 'cheating the system' when they expect a libre product to be provided to them free of charge when the developers of said product themselves have added little more than a glossy sheen upon years of blood, sweat, and tears is an arrogant thing to say. Modifying GNU/Linux isn't new and it doesn't give you the right to say such outlandish things in defence of your own project.
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#70Talk about a terribly designed website. If someone had no idea what Elementary OS is, the website does absolutely nothing to tell them. No list of even basic features. No explanation of compatibility or how to install it. Only a single screenshot. Why is this the case?
elementary OS have a similar mentality to the Vivaldi browser -- it's just for our friends. Despite leading with donation panhandling. Still, I'm using it now because I am tired of Slackware. I love Slack to bits but the amount of work involved in making my setup look and play nice is just silly. I'm looking for something like a one-click-pretty-usable Linux for random laptops/PCs I've accumulated. PapyrOS might be n…
I'm going to get a lot of hate for this but if you really, honestly want a no-frills, easy to set up UNIX for your personal computer, there really is no better machine than a Macintosh.