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Elementary OS Freya Released

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Re: Elementary OS Freya Released

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Post by jqm »

wanda wrote: post #16
josephpmay wrote: post #2

Talk about a terribly designed website. If someone had no idea what Elementary OS is, the website does absolutely nothing to tell them. No list of even basic features. No explanation of compatibility or how to install it. Only a single screenshot. Why is this the case?

elementary OS have a similar mentality to the Vivaldi browser -- it's just for our friends. Despite leading with donation panhandling. Still, I'm using it now because I am tired of Slackware. I love Slack to bits but the amount of work involved in making my setup look and play nice is just silly. I'm looking for something like a one-click-pretty-usable Linux for random laptops/PCs I've accumulated. PapyrOS might be n…

I've never seen making Slackware look nice as a burden. Especially since I can generally just copy over config files.

I love Slackware for the simplicity and that's why I use it. So many of these feature filled pretty systems work nice.. until they don't. Unneeded features are just more stuff to learn and more stuff to break in my opinion. Slackware is a rock solid work horse and I know right where everything is and can change it if I need to.

But to tell the truth, just give me a nice Unix terminal and a web browser and I don't really care that much what it's sitting on.

Re: Elementary OS Freya Released

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Post by wz1000 »

krick wrote: post #26

> open replacement for Windows and OS X It sounds like promising a lot. So after confirming the suspicion of it not being something that would actually allow to run some essential software we still don't have replacements for (AutoCad, Native Instruments stuff, Ableton Live, etc.), but simply yet another Linux distro with custom DE I wonder if this lack of information on the website is on purpose.

> So after confirming the suspicion of it not being something that would actually allow to run some essential software we still don't have replacements for (AutoCad, Native Instruments stuff, Ableton Live, etc.), but simply yet another Linux distro with custom DE

What? You actually expected somebody to come up with a whole new OS that runs software written for another proprietary, closed source OS?

eOS is a replacement for those users who want to browse the web, read email, watch videos and look at photographs. These people are its target demographic, not professionals who rely on specialized software to do their job.

Re: Elementary OS Freya Released

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Post by evanrelf »

machbio wrote: post #30
GoatXYZ wrote: post #21

Does anyone else see a problem that they want you to input all your CC details but does not have HTTPS on by default?

thats handled by stripe..

It doesn't matter who it's handled by, the fact is that credit card numbers are being transferred over regular, non-encrypted HTTP.

Re: Elementary OS Freya Released

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Post by ics »

tywkeene wrote: post #29
Trufa wrote: post #25

Only negativity in this thread. You're being offered a desktop environment for free, and all you can do is point out its problems. I think it looks pretty slick, and will give it a try, why are people so nitpicky here?

It's things like [1] that really irk me. Yes, they're working 'hard', yes they deserve compensation, no, there isn't any license conflicts (that I'm aware of) that would make selling eOS illegal, it's the fact that they wrote this justification to make you feel like a thief. Really, it's just an ubuntu clone with a pretty osx-like gui. This isn't really anything amazing or new, and it makes it seem like they're tryin…

> tap into the elitist osx market

I think it would be more accurate to say that they are trying to expand the Linux market by wooing those whose main barrier to using Linux is the UI/UX. Whether or not you find the endeavor to be "noble", the attempt is worth something to the Linux landscape even if your takeaway is "don't run it quite like them".

Re: Elementary OS Freya Released

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Post by tywkeene »

ics wrote: post #34
tywkeene wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's things like [1] that really irk me. Yes, they're working 'hard', yes they deserve compensation, no, there isn't any license conflicts (that I'm aware of) that would make selling eOS illegal, it's the fact that they wrote this justification to make you feel like a thief. Really, it's just an ubuntu clone with a pretty osx-like gui. This isn't really anything amazing or new, and it makes it seem like they're tryin…

> tap into the elitist osx market I think it would be more accurate to say that they are trying to expand the Linux market by wooing those whose main barrier to using Linux is the UI/UX. Whether or not you find the endeavor to be "noble", the attempt is worth something to the Linux landscape even if your takeaway is "don't run it quite like them".

Well whatever it they're doing guilt tripping people into giving them money for something that's free everywhere else isn't helping.

Re: Elementary OS Freya Released

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Post by imron »

evanrelf wrote: post #33
machbio wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

thats handled by stripe..

It doesn't matter who it's handled by, the fact is that credit card numbers are being transferred over regular, non-encrypted HTTP.

Actually, it does matter.

The webpage might be http, but the Stripe Javascript library connects to Stripe's servers over https.

The website never sees your card number and your card number and info is never transmitted over a non-encrypted connection.

Re: Elementary OS Freya Released

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Post by krick »

wz1000 wrote: post #32
krick wrote: post #26

> open replacement for Windows and OS X It sounds like promising a lot. So after confirming the suspicion of it not being something that would actually allow to run some essential software we still don't have replacements for (AutoCad, Native Instruments stuff, Ableton Live, etc.), but simply yet another Linux distro with custom DE I wonder if this lack of information on the website is on purpose.

> So after confirming the suspicion of it not being something that would actually allow to run some essential software we still don't have replacements for (AutoCad, Native Instruments stuff, Ableton Live, etc.), but simply yet another Linux distro with custom DE What? You actually expected somebody to come up with a whole new OS that runs software written for another proprietary , closed source OS? eOS is a replacem…

You might want to pay attention to the word "confirming" so you would feel more relaxed about other's expectations.

> eOS is a replacement for those

I would argue that for that matter it isn't a "replacement" whatsoever. If you are somebody capable of suddenly finding eOS on the internet and understanding what this thing actually is — there's a ton of "fast and open replacements" for you already. (Except, well, they are not "replacements" because they do not fulfill everything you might want to do with mentioned operating systems. But whatever.) If not — you don't even really care if you "pay" for your OS, because you're using the one that came pre-installed on your laptop, without thinking much how much money you spend on the processor, on the RAM, on the OS… it's just a "computer", you paid what you were asked for that. Nd if you would, it doesn't matter because, well, why would it matter if you want to use something you don't event know it exists?

Re: Elementary OS Freya Released

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Post by ersoft »

evanrelf wrote: post #33
machbio wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

thats handled by stripe..

It doesn't matter who it's handled by, the fact is that credit card numbers are being transferred over regular, non-encrypted HTTP.

You can test and take a look in web developer console.

Payment seems to be done using Stripe Javascript SDK, which makes all the connections using HTTPS.

Re: Elementary OS Freya Released

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Post by amk_ »

This is the distro GNU/Linux needed in 2009. I used to be a big fan, but these days I can't help but feel they are off the mark by focusing on so heavily on creating a "beautiful" 00's desktop environment when the rest of the world has moved on to new form factors, touch screens, tight coupling with cloud services, and automatic backup and recovery options.

That said, I do like the enhancements they have made to some of the 'classic' native apps (Geary is a great email client, Maya calendar works well, and I really like the shell history search baked into the Pantheon Terminal UI). Here's to hoping this release forms the foundation that allows them to tackle some of the sticking points above in the future.

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