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“We would be willing to set up a $2,500 bounty to implement scrollbar styling”

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Re: “We would be willing to set up a $2,500 bounty to implement scrollbar styling”

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Post by TheLoneWolfling »

callmevlad wrote: post #59
SwellJoe wrote: post #9

I was reading through this, just laughing and laughing at how ridiculous it was that people in 2001 thought changing the color of the scroll bar was somehow important or useful. I was all, "Hahah, people were very silly in 2001, and the web was a very silly place." Then, as the years crept ever forward, I began to realize this isn't a blast from the past...it's not like a discussion about the blink tag. It's a real t…

I'm the guy who offered the bounty, and for us (webflow.com) it's not about styling scrollbars on ordinary websites - it's about making sure application user interfaces are consistent across browsers. Take a look at this comparison between Chrome and Firefox: https://cloudup.com/c8K9RMqPeDn Webkit's ability to style scrollbars gives app developers a ton more control over a user interface. Some advantages of Webkit ov…

For anyone else who doesn't want to suffer through yet another unnecessary web application:

http://imgur.com/a/mkbHB

Re: “We would be willing to set up a $2,500 bounty to implement scrollbar styling”

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Post by TheLoneWolfling »

callmevlad wrote: post #61
radley wrote: post #28

I think the simple solution is adding a "light/dark" setting for browsers. We certainly don't need every color of the rainbow (omg gross), but this simple option could be universal and solve most requests.

Actually, that would not solve the issue that led me to offer the bounty. Check out the difference between the scrollbars in Webflow rendered across Webkit (Safari, Chrome, Opera) and Firefox: https://cloudup.com/c8K9RMqPeDn Note that not only does Webkit give you control over colors, it gives you control over the width/height of the scrollbar - which for us is critically important.

For anyone else who doesn't want to suffer through yet another unnecessary web application:

http://imgur.com/a/mkbHB

Re: “We would be willing to set up a $2,500 bounty to implement scrollbar styling”

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Post by scrollaway »

TheLoneWolfling wrote: post #79
scrollaway wrote: post #77

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Er, what? You need to start differenciating between "documents" and "applications". What GP linked is a full-blown application. There's no "non-javascript" version of it. I have been watching comments here and it is absolutely infuriating how it's very obviously armchair designers with zero experience in the field who are yelling out "aesthetics don't matter, scrollbars should always look like my system's scrollbars"…

From my perspective, at the very least, the link was a means of showing a couple of screenshots. Is it a full-blown application? Sure, I guess. But I could care less about that. The actual content is a couple of screenshots - not exactly something that requires JS. Also, I'm not speaking about designers at all. I am not a website designer, and never claimed to be one. I'm speaking as someone who uses a web browser. A…

> It may not be about purple scrollbars for your text documents, but that's what it will largely end up being used for.

Taking away freedoms from developers should only ever be done for security reasons. Not because you're scared they'll "misuse it and make ugly apps". Who cares about "ugly apps"? They are weeded out over time by natural selection.

Re: “We would be willing to set up a $2,500 bounty to implement scrollbar styling”

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Post by regularfry »

NathanKP wrote: post #72
regularfry wrote: post #57

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> Most people Really? Have you got any numbers for this, or are you actually saying "this is how I use it, and I presume most people are like me"? Because what you're saying simply isn't true for me. When I'm reading a long block of content, I'll often click the scroll thumb and keep it clicked, using either the mouse or trackpad (or trackball, for that matter) to seek proportionally through the page. You don't get t…

So given that you like to use the scrollbar in that matter which would you rather see: 1) A native scrollbar that is restyled to match the colors of the webpage it is in? 2) A janky web view with scrollbars hidden and then reimplemented in JS which doesn't function they way you want it to? Like it or not designers usually don't spend time on the subset of the audience that clicks and drags the scrollbar. They spend t…

Of the two, 1) is the less bad option. This seems obvious to me. It is wrong to treat the scroll bar as only visual element and not an input element; that's what I take issue with.

> Like it or not designers usually don't spend time on the subset of the audience that clicks and drags the scrollbar. They spend time drawing a pretty looking scrollbar.

If the designers in question, who are working on a user interface element, don't consider how users will interface with it, it's fair to criticise them for not doing their jobs.

Re: “We would be willing to set up a $2,500 bounty to implement scrollbar styling”

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Post by baby »

SwellJoe wrote: post #45
baby wrote: post #41

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I'm surprised to see this point of view upvoted so much. If you browse the web through chrome you might not notice it because you can style the scrollbar in chrome. But if you scroll the same websites in Firefox (which is my main browser), those will stand out. It's not only the scrollbar of the page, it's also any scrollbar that you can see inside a iframe or a textarea or really any divs with overflow:scroll; If yo…

I think it has to do with my approach to the web, and my preferences for web design. I like minimalism, generally speaking, and I like consistency. I think Google UIs are fine. But, I don't use Chrome, so I don't know what the difference is. Maybe it would be amazing with custom-styled scrollbars. But, I'm content with them looking like my native OS scrollbars (I use Linux/Gnome 3, so they are grey, flat, and slim; q…

> dark web designs

It's not only dark web designs. Actually if you look at any native application on your OS you will see "styled" scrollbars. And that never shocked you because they are styled according to the app.

> I like it when web pages look like they belong on my computer screen.

This is what "view > page style > no style" is for.

CSS was created to "style" page, and the scrollbar is part of the page. That you like CSS or not it seems silly to say that the scrollbar is the limit where you can style everything BUT the scroll bar on a page.

Re: “We would be willing to set up a $2,500 bounty to implement scrollbar styling”

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Post by DanBC »

baby wrote: post #85
SwellJoe wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it has to do with my approach to the web, and my preferences for web design. I like minimalism, generally speaking, and I like consistency. I think Google UIs are fine. But, I don't use Chrome, so I don't know what the difference is. Maybe it would be amazing with custom-styled scrollbars. But, I'm content with them looking like my native OS scrollbars (I use Linux/Gnome 3, so they are grey, flat, and slim; q…

> dark web designs It's not only dark web designs. Actually if you look at any native application on your OS you will see "styled" scrollbars. And that never shocked you because they are styled according to the app. > I like it when web pages look like they belong on my computer screen. This is what "view > page style > no style" is for. CSS was created to "style" page, and the scrollbar is part of the page. That you…

The scroll bar isn't part of the page. A scroll bar appearin or not is controlled by the window size, and that's controlled by the browser and window manager and those are controlled by the user.

The page designer has no control over the display size.

Re: “We would be willing to set up a $2,500 bounty to implement scrollbar styling”

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Post by baby »

DanBC wrote: post #86
baby wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> dark web designs It's not only dark web designs. Actually if you look at any native application on your OS you will see "styled" scrollbars. And that never shocked you because they are styled according to the app. > I like it when web pages look like they belong on my computer screen. This is what "view > page style > no style" is for. CSS was created to "style" page, and the scrollbar is part of the page. That you…

The scroll bar isn't part of the page. A scroll bar appearin or not is controlled by the window size, and that's controlled by the browser and window manager and those are controlled by the user. The page designer has no control over the display size.

I understand what you are trying to say. It's hard to realize when you are not looking at it but actually, any field with "overflow:scroll" has a scroll bar. And you can control the size of those fields. If you pay attention you will see that a huge amount of websites do have scrollbars in their design, many avoid them because they can't be stylized in firefox, and many use javascript to try to style them.
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