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Re: Who is behind Dart?

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Post by BinaryIdiot »

tosh wrote: post #6
kasperset wrote: post #5

Dart has a very talented team but they have not filled its potential yet if one is judging by popularity and perception.

It's still early days for Dart. Go was started in 2007, Python in 1991, Ruby in 1995. It takes some time for a platform and ecosystem to become established.

The only issue here is Dart is a special case. It relies on being transpiled to run on its intended platform versus running natively. None of the other languages had this type of issue. I feel like this is slowing down Dart adoption perhaps even stalling it.

Perhaps if a native Dart runtime becomes included into web browsers we will see it grow I just have a hard time seeing it without that piece.

Re: Who is behind Dart?

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Post by ahoge »

BinaryIdiot wrote: post #11
tosh wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's still early days for Dart. Go was started in 2007, Python in 1991, Ruby in 1995. It takes some time for a platform and ecosystem to become established.

The only issue here is Dart is a special case. It relies on being transpiled to run on its intended platform versus running natively. None of the other languages had this type of issue. I feel like this is slowing down Dart adoption perhaps even stalling it. Perhaps if a native Dart runtime becomes included into web browsers we will see it grow I just have a hard time seeing it without that piece.

Dart also works outside of browsers. The standalone VM can be used to write command line tools and web servers. You can interact with native libraries and you can also embed it in other applications. It offers excellent tooling and good performance. It's quite a bit faster than Ruby, Python, or PHP (Hack included).

There is also a second JIT-free VM called "Fletch" in the works which is meant for locked-down environments like iOS or Sony's PS4.

Re: Who is behind Dart?

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Post by BinaryIdiot »

ahoge wrote: post #12
BinaryIdiot wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only issue here is Dart is a special case. It relies on being transpiled to run on its intended platform versus running natively. None of the other languages had this type of issue. I feel like this is slowing down Dart adoption perhaps even stalling it. Perhaps if a native Dart runtime becomes included into web browsers we will see it grow I just have a hard time seeing it without that piece.

Dart also works outside of browsers. The standalone VM can be used to write command line tools and web servers. You can interact with native libraries and you can also embed it in other applications. It offers excellent tooling and good performance. It's quite a bit faster than Ruby, Python, or PHP (Hack included). There is also a second JIT-free VM called "Fletch" in the works which is meant for locked-down environm…

Ah today I learned; thanks! I'm not sure how big of a market that is with node / io but that's a neat idea.

Re: Who is behind Dart?

#14

Post by harryjo »

tosh wrote: post #6
kasperset wrote: post #5

Dart has a very talented team but they have not filled its potential yet if one is judging by popularity and perception.

It's still early days for Dart. Go was started in 2007, Python in 1991, Ruby in 1995. It takes some time for a platform and ecosystem to become established.

Go was an evolution of a language developed years earlier, but with a new name because it was different enough or because the inventor got a new employer/copyright-holder

Re: Who is behind Dart?

#15

Post by cpeterso »

harryjo wrote: post #14
tosh wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's still early days for Dart. Go was started in 2007, Python in 1991, Ruby in 1995. It takes some time for a platform and ecosystem to become established.

Go was an evolution of a language developed years earlier, but with a new name because it was different enough or because the inventor got a new employer/copyright-holder

> a language developed years earlier

Are you referring to Limbo?

Re: Who is behind Dart?

#16

Post by coldtea »

autoreleasepool wrote: post #7

"When you look at Ruby you will find Matz and DHH". This is wrong. Matz (and only Matz) is the one you will find. DHH wrote a web framework with Ruby, but he hasn't contributed to Ruby at all. Ruby existed 10 years before Rails came into fruition.

>Ruby existed 10 years before Rails came into fruition.

And had 1/10th the popularity it had after Rails.

Re: Who is behind Dart?

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Post by coldtea »

tosh wrote: post #6
kasperset wrote: post #5

Dart has a very talented team but they have not filled its potential yet if one is judging by popularity and perception.

It's still early days for Dart. Go was started in 2007, Python in 1991, Ruby in 1995. It takes some time for a platform and ecosystem to become established.

It use to take some time, back in the days when Python and Ruby appeared.

Now, with the net et al, languages are adopted much much faster. Go did in a 5 years what too Python 10 years to achieve. Even a transpiled novelty language like Coffescript, caught on widely in just a year or so.

And of course for company sponsored languages, the time to adoption is much much lower. Java appeared and conquered the enterprise space in just 2-3 years. C# got wide adoption in 2 years or so from the MS shops.

Re: Who is behind Dart?

#18

Post by dsymonds »

harryjo wrote: post #14
tosh wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's still early days for Dart. Go was started in 2007, Python in 1991, Ruby in 1995. It takes some time for a platform and ecosystem to become established.

Go was an evolution of a language developed years earlier, but with a new name because it was different enough or because the inventor got a new employer/copyright-holder

That's not true at all.

Re: Who is behind Dart?

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Post by autoreleasepool »

coldtea wrote: post #16
autoreleasepool wrote: post #7

"When you look at Ruby you will find Matz and DHH". This is wrong. Matz (and only Matz) is the one you will find. DHH wrote a web framework with Ruby, but he hasn't contributed to Ruby at all. Ruby existed 10 years before Rails came into fruition.

> Ruby existed 10 years before Rails came into fruition. And had 1/10th the popularity it had after Rails.

That's true, but it's irrelevant to the point. Listing DHH as one of the "creators" of Ruby, like this article does, needlessly spreads misinformation. Frankly, it's not fair to Matz and the Ruby dev team to list DHH as a creator of the language. DHH invented a web framework that greatly popularized the language, true, but Ruby was single-handedly created by Matz.

BTW, not everyone who uses Ruby uses Rails. Ruby is a general purpose programming language that is used by many people for solving many different problems.

Re: Who is behind Dart?

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Post by pjmlp »

autoreleasepool wrote: post #7

"When you look at Ruby you will find Matz and DHH". This is wrong. Matz (and only Matz) is the one you will find. DHH wrote a web framework with Ruby, but he hasn't contributed to Ruby at all. Ruby existed 10 years before Rails came into fruition.

I never saw Ruby in production without Rails.
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