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I Quit: What really goes on at Apple

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Re: I Quit: What really goes on at Apple

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I once attended a hackathon in Switzerland where Apple sponsored some prizes. They had a bunch of relatively young (read mostly junior level) developers there and one 'glorious leader' management-level kind of guy. I shall never forget seeing two of the young developers following their glorious leader with ipads in their hands wherever he went.

I don't get it. Why is that an unforgettable image for you?

Re: I Quit: What really goes on at Apple

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Yep, SmugMug :) Thanks for the kind words! I'm not a Support Hero, but have to say that everyone who works here from the top down has nothing but utter respect for our amazing Heroes. It is an exceptionally challenging job and thus warrants exceptionally talented individuals--I sure as heck know that I couldn't do what they do. I wish all companies had our level of customer support, but I know that isn't realistic. F…

Woah, really impressive that he was able to guess the company. That seems super crazy to me. I guess I'd better check out SmugMug if it's that above and beyond!

I immediately guessed Smugmug as well. I've been a customer for ~4 years now, and the few times I've needed their help, it's been nothing short of phenomenal. Support tickets answered in minutes by people clearly knowledgeable (if not experts) on the platform. Smugmug is a wonderful service, and would be fully worth the price even without such high levels of CS, so I wonder what motivates them to excel in that area?

Re: I Quit: What really goes on at Apple

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Not a developer but I would definitely do a 2+ year stint at Apple to get the name on my resume and find out what it's like to work at one of the largest and most profitable tech companies ever. I'm sure there's an incredible amount to learn and the pay is nice as well.

How old are you? 2 years is quite a long time to some folks.

2 years is a long time to teenagers, I can't imagine it's a long time to anyone else.

Re: I Quit: What really goes on at Apple

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With this negative image among developers in the Valley, how is Apple able to attract top quality engineers? They probably are not. Anecdotally, I still haven't met one single engineer who would love to work for Apple though they love using Apple products. Apple is not even on the list of all top graduating kids who wants a job in top valley firms (Google, FB, Dropbox, Twitter, AirBnB, Uber, Pinterest, LinkedIn, Quor…

From the outside, it definitely looks like the closer it gets to hardware, the better engineers at Apple get. Metal is awesome, Metal shading language and recent clang progress not bad too, Swift a little bit wonky but interesting — but the quality of their customer-facing software, especially ui stuff (not design, but I engineering) is getting worse and worse. It just doesn't "just work" anymore.

For the first time in the last ten years, I have downgraded my OS to 10.9 after having a disastrous experience with 10.10. I don't plan on upgrading back, at least not on this computer.

Re: I Quit: What really goes on at Apple

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Apple is actually probably the best example of a company taking a cost center (in this case, manufacturing and logistics) and turning it into a strategic advantage. Apple wields its supply chain like a weapon. It's very difficult to compete with Apple because the world has a limited supply of high-quality parts (flash memory, LCD screens, etc.), and Apple can just outbid everyone else for the entire market supply for…

> Apple wields its supply chain like a weapon...This is why Tim Cook is CEO: he was the architect of their supply chain strategy... Really? "From 2016, {Samsung] the company will supply 80 percent of APs used in Apple devices" http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/tech/2014/11/133_168259... Let's call Tim Cook out for what he is. A former Dell middle manager who happened to be working the supply chain when China opene…

AND may I add that Mr Cook caught Mr Steve's attention when Mr Cook arranged a deal with Samsung to ensure steady flow of RAM. This was when RAM shortage was causing severe issues for tech companies.

Re: I Quit: What really goes on at Apple

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We all have our weaknesses. I'd rather have contempt for the manipulators than the manipulated.

I apologize if it came off as contempt for the manipulated. I meant it more as sadness for them. St. Steve on the other hand...

Contempt for a caricature is difficult to justify.

A. Ask any of the original Mac team if they'd have skipped the opportunity.

B. Most of them have done quite well for themselves.

Re: I Quit: What really goes on at Apple

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I think people need to remember that Apple is a tiny, tiny innovative core surrounded by a huge bog-standard "big-corp" full of the same chimps from the Career Builder commercials that all big-corps have. If you're not part of that tiny core, you just work at Office Space.

Apple has a horrible reputation as a work place that seems to span all layers. Look up online employer reviews. I have a friend who was employed there doing iphone interface design (as I understand it) and he only lasted a year. He said the place was full of insufferable egomaniacs.

Full of insufferable egomaniacs? I believe it. Especially in design, where your work is judged subjectively.

Full of wannabe Mr Jobs.

Re: I Quit: What really goes on at Apple

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post #317

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With this negative image among developers in the Valley, how is Apple able to attract top quality engineers? They probably are not. Anecdotally, I still haven't met one single engineer who would love to work for Apple though they love using Apple products. Apple is not even on the list of all top graduating kids who wants a job in top valley firms (Google, FB, Dropbox, Twitter, AirBnB, Uber, Pinterest, LinkedIn, Quor…

> With this negative image among developers in the Valley, how is Apple able to attract top quality engineers? They probably are not. I met several current and former Apple employees. Many of them are extremely talented. Based on my anecdotal experience, that doesn't show Apple has any problem attracting top quality engineers.

Hardware engineers maybe? Not sure about software engineers.

Re: I Quit: What really goes on at Apple

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One of my friends used to work at Apple. After one particular grueling stint of 14+ hour days, management decided to give them a thank-you. In the form of vouchers. For frozen dinners. Meanwhile, all of his friends worked for Google, we got gourmet food every meal of the week as a standard perk, and we were usually home by 8 or 9 PM rather than midnight. It's sorta like "Your 'thank you' is really more like a giant '…

I know some people who do that by choice, but no one in my branch of software engineering is forced to do it for months or years at a time. I'm senior, work 9 to 5 with limited exceptions, and extremely well-regarded (and well-compensated).
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