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Re: Microsoft Announces Nano Server

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Post by trentnelson »

Someone1234 wrote: post #17
e40 wrote: post #12

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80% fewer reboots Still many times more frequent than w/Linux. The 2008 R2 development system we have needs to be rebooted every two weeks, on average, due to Windows Updates that require a reboot. Updates come in almost every day for CentOS and I only need to reboot once ever couple of months for new kernels. Can't wait for the no-reboot kernel patches planned for a future Linux kernel.

> The 2008 R2 development system we have needs to be rebooted every two weeks, on average, due to Windows Updates that require a reboot. Uhh they literally don't release updates that often, so you'll have to explain that one to us... > Updates come in almost every day for CentOS and I only need to reboot once ever couple of months for new kernels. Windows doesn't support hotpatching, Linux does, it really is as simpl…

> Windows doesn't support hotpatching, Linux does, it really is as simple as that. Linux has more people working on it than the Windows kernel does, and is just a more advanced kernel in general at this point.

Actually, hotpatching is easier on Linux because it has a technically inferior virtual memory subsystem to Windows.

The Windows kernel is technically superior in numerous areas: virtual memory, thread synchronization primitives, and I/O (specifically, overlapped I/O), just to name a few.

Re: Microsoft Announces Nano Server

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Post by motoboi »

simonjgreen wrote: post #15
Someone1234 wrote: post #13

Microsoft has a real hole in their stack in my opinion... So on Linux you have SSH (for shell) and X11 Forwarding/VNC for GUI remoting. On Windows you have RDP for GUI and nothing for remote shell. Now, I know what you're going to say, "WMI" but WMI was never designed for use over the internet. You have to forward two fixed ports and a dynamic range (shudder). Plus it isn't security hardened either by design or throu…

SSH access to PowerShell would be a game changer IMHO for Microsoft. Also, have you seen this? http://www.powershellserver.com/download/

Are you aware that is already possible to remote login into a powershell session without any add-on on windows server? Just use Enter-PsSession -computername

Re: Microsoft Announces Nano Server

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Post by sciurus »

cies wrote: post #58
cies wrote: post #46

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Please down voter(s), leave a note.. :)

Even my "request for down vote explanation" gets down voted! Hilarious...

"Resist commenting about being downvoted. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Microsoft Announces Nano Server

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Post by thoth »

Someone1234 wrote: post #66
thoth wrote: post #42

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>Uhh they literally don't release updates that often, so you'll have to explain that one to us... Microsoft most certainly releases reboot updates more often than the once a month patch Tuesday. I'm not sure if they apply to the OP's specific system, Win2008 R2, but I am rebooting my various computers more than once a month. My system's update history shows two fixes around Mar 27 (KB2976978 and KB3048778) and one of…

You're conflating Windows 8 and Windows Server, the two updates you specifically noted are Windows 8 updates. The first one is a Windows 10 pre-checker (KB2976978), so zero chance of Windows Server getting it, and the second one (KB3048778) isn't a critical update (solves a minor Explorer bug) so would have to be manually installed. You likely have "Give me Recommended updates the way I receive important updates" che…

I'm not conflating anything - I even said I wasn't sure if they applied to Win2008, did you miss reading that? I was challenging the general claim that releases that require reboots don't occur more often than once a month.

Now if you were specifically addressing this for Win2008 R2, well I'll give you that. I was too lazy to spin that system up and dig through its update history.

The GENERAL assumption that the only time you need to reboot is once a month for patch tuesday isn't really accurate. Now for the SPECIFIC case of Win2008 R2, many years after its release, perhaps that is true.

And FWIW, thanks for your concern about my systems, but it is irrelevant and incorrect because you do not understand my particular operating environment. One side task I do is build VM's for everybody else in my group to use, so while I do not have auto-updates checked, I wind up getting all updates for every language and OS we are interested in.

As for "massive" differences in how server and desktops are patched - what would those be precisely? Perhaps you see fewer reboots than I do because you have less installed and fewer windows features enabled, not because of your supposed deep understanding on the "massive" differences between patching a server and desktop.

Re: Microsoft Announces Nano Server

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Post by Uhhrrr »

Even if the implementation turns out to be lacking, the goal is good:

> As customers adopt modern applications and next-generation cloud technologies, they need an OS that delivers speed, agility and lower resource consumption.

I know the kneejerk reply to this is, "Yeah, Linux!", but I can think of at least 2 Windows-based applications in my company which would benefit from this. And in general, yay competition.

Re: Microsoft Announces Nano Server

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Post by deevus »

motoboi wrote: post #72
simonjgreen wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SSH access to PowerShell would be a game changer IMHO for Microsoft. Also, have you seen this? http://www.powershellserver.com/download/

Are you aware that is already possible to remote login into a powershell session without any add-on on windows server? Just use Enter-PsSession -computername

PowerShell Server "gives users the power to securely manage Windows remotely through PowerShell from any standard SSH client"

Re: Microsoft Announces Nano Server

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Post by EvanAnderson »

If Microsoft would break out the old Interix (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interix) code and throw it on here I'd be ecstatic. (Interix was pretty great, back in the day. I think MSFT made a mistake deprecating it. A lot of FLOSS tools built on Interix just fine, back in the '99 timeframe, and if it hadn't been put out to pasture it could have definitely served as a sell into the POSIX world.)

Re: Microsoft Announces Nano Server

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Post by girvo »

trentnelson wrote: post #71
Someone1234 wrote: post #17

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> The 2008 R2 development system we have needs to be rebooted every two weeks, on average, due to Windows Updates that require a reboot. Uhh they literally don't release updates that often, so you'll have to explain that one to us... > Updates come in almost every day for CentOS and I only need to reboot once ever couple of months for new kernels. Windows doesn't support hotpatching, Linux does, it really is as simpl…

> Windows doesn't support hotpatching, Linux does, it really is as simple as that. Linux has more people working on it than the Windows kernel does, and is just a more advanced kernel in general at this point. Actually, hotpatching is easier on Linux because it has a technically inferior virtual memory subsystem to Windows. The Windows kernel is technically superior in numerous areas: virtual memory, thread synchroni…

Where's the best place to get details on the internals of the Windows kernel regarding things like that?
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