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Why 'zero rating' is the new battleground in net neutrality debate

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Re: Why 'zero rating' is the new battleground in net neutrality debate

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If used in the right context, I don't see a problem with 'zero rating.' T-mobile[0] has been doing this for a little bit now and, to me, it seems to be beneficial. The issues only arise when you are zero rating individual services belonging to one genre or vertical. Saying that Netflix won't count against your usage but Hulu does would be a problem. [0] http://www.t-mobile.com/offer/free-music-streaming.html

Zero rating is a pox upon the Internet and should be killed with fire, regardless of any perceived short term benefit to some end users. In the long term zero rating is always toxic.

There are over 800 telcos in the world. Even if zero rating was free to the app/service provider, just negotiating with each and every telco would be a huge burden.

Zero rating is, however, neither free nor available to all app/service providers. Thus zero rating creates both a toll booth and a gatekeeper who gets to discriminate against app/service providers and pick winners and loosers.

Re: Why 'zero rating' is the new battleground in net neutrality debate

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They shouldn't pass on the savings to just some of the customers; there's no reason they can't pass on the savings to all of their customers. After all, everyone benefits: those using the service with the CDN node get a faster path to that content, and everyone else gets a less congested path to the rest of the internet.

> They shouldn't pass on the savings to just some of the customers; there's no reason they can't pass on the savings to all of their customers. So they shouldn't be allowed to pass the savings on to the customers who actually use the service in question and thus benefit from the colocated server? And this is supposed to be more "fair"? And somehow the ISP's rate model for their customers is yours to dictate? Consider…

The cost savings from CDN colocation and peering to the ISP as so miniscule that, even if they were passed on in full, would barely register on your bill. We are talking about fractions of a cent per customer.

Zero rating is not about passing on cost savings, it's about market power and discrimination.

Also, datacenters do not usually charge by data transfer. Just because Amazon does it (and overcharges by two orders of magnitude) does not mean others do it.

Re: Why 'zero rating' is the new battleground in net neutrality debate

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Personally, I think zero rating is a good thing, especially as it operates in the Australian environment (or, at least, how it has operated previously). It has largely been consumer positive, allowing premium tier ISPs to differentiate themselves by making the effort to peer with service providers, and consumers benefit from the free quota. There are some distasteful uses though - where there are exclusive peering ag…

> Personally, I think zero rating is a good thing, especially as it operates in the Australian environment (or, at least, how it has operated previously).

It only feel like a good thing because Australia has an abnormal telecom market which includes such strangeness as quotas even on fixed broadband.

Without quotas zero rating is a non-issue.

Re: Why 'zero rating' is the new battleground in net neutrality debate

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If used in the right context, I don't see a problem with 'zero rating.' T-mobile[0] has been doing this for a little bit now and, to me, it seems to be beneficial. The issues only arise when you are zero rating individual services belonging to one genre or vertical. Saying that Netflix won't count against your usage but Hulu does would be a problem. [0] http://www.t-mobile.com/offer/free-music-streaming.html

Zero rating is a pox upon the Internet and should be killed with fire, regardless of any perceived short term benefit to some end users. In the long term zero rating is always toxic. There are over 800 telcos in the world. Even if zero rating was free to the app/service provider, just negotiating with each and every telco would be a huge burden. Zero rating is, however, neither free nor available to all app/service p…

what if mobile carriers where not allowed to discriminate whom they could sell zero-rated services to, so each service provider/app should have the freedom to choose the business model that works best for themselves?

what if 3rd parties where allowed to buy zero-rated URLs or IPs in "bulk" from all the carriers in a geography, making it much easier to contract all mobile carriers?

preventing companies to provide zero-rated services increases the digital divide as it inhibit people who cannot afford to buy a data plan to use services. In many areas of the world, the majority of mobile consumers are on pre-paid plans and have zero credits most of the time (most countries have calling party pays, so a smartphone with zero credit is still very valuable to receive calls)

Re: Why 'zero rating' is the new battleground in net neutrality debate

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zero rating is a pox upon the Internet and should be killed with fire, regardless of any perceived short term benefit to some end users. In the long term zero rating is always toxic. There are over 800 telcos in the world. Even if zero rating was free to the app/service provider, just negotiating with each and every telco would be a huge burden. Zero rating is, however, neither free nor available to all app/service p…

what if mobile carriers where not allowed to discriminate whom they could sell zero-rated services to, so each service provider/app should have the freedom to choose the business model that works best for themselves? what if 3rd parties where allowed to buy zero-rated URLs or IPs in "bulk" from all the carriers in a geography, making it much easier to contract all mobile carriers? preventing companies to provide zero…

> what if mobile carriers where not allowed to discriminate whom they could sell zero-rated services to, so each service provider/app should have the freedom to choose the business model that works best for themselves?

While nominally better, it would just be like putting lipstick on a pig. There would also be serious real world problems with actually enforing such a regimen.

> what if 3rd parties where allowed to buy zero-rated URLs or IPs in "bulk" from all the carriers in a geography, making it much easier to contract all mobile carriers?

My answer is pretty much the same as above, only this one is a bit more ambitious. It's basically like suggesting world peace as a solution to global conflicts. Getting all the carriers in a geographic region on board, implementing, rolling out and enforcing such a thing would almost be an effort worth a Nobel price in itself.

> preventing companies to provide zero-rated services increases the digital divide as it inhibit people who cannot afford to buy a data plan to use services. In many areas of the world, the majority of mobile consumers are on pre-paid plans and have zero credits most of the time (most countries have calling party pays, so a smartphone with zero credit is still very valuable to receive calls)

Offering zero rating as a solution to this problem is a false choice. Zero rating is providing a means of communication for free AND limiting what it can be used for. The correct choice is to provide the same means of communications for free and NOT limiting what it can be used for. That is how you remove the digital divide.

If need be this free mode of communication can be limited by speed or by amount, as is customary in the mobile world. What is not reasonable is to limit what can be done with it.

TL;DR zero rating is evil, give users a free tier or quota instead.

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