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Re: Tor: Illegal Weapons

#11

Post by mathgeek »

collyw wrote: post #4
venomsnake wrote: post #3

Big deal. It is not as if it is something hard to DIY if you are committed to breaking the law. I think that is the stuff that both sides of second amendment shouting match fail to get - inventing deadly stuff is easy.

Would you have the same attitude about kiddie porn? What you say is true, but being able to buy guns from Tor will save you a lot of hassle over trying to manufacture your own. I think I am pretty open minded, but I was fairly shocked at what claimed to be available when I logged onto Tor to see what it was all about.

> Would you have the same attitude about kiddie porn?

Logical fallacy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children

Re: Tor: Illegal Weapons

#12

Post by pakled_engineer »

hias wrote: post #6

How does this work? I guess they can not just ship the heavy guns via standard postal services? Aren't there controls in the shipping centers which check for scents of drugs, gunpowder, whatever?

Russians always use GPS drop since the post system there is totally unreliable. Everywhere else they disassemble and mail the guns with a pile of scrap and call it 'bike parts' or something.

No idea how they ship the ammo I hope they don't mail it as it goes on passenger planes and live ammunition has to be secured so an LD3 doesnt roll around, crush something then set off bullets flying through the cabin.

Re: Tor: Illegal Weapons

#13

Post by wolfgke »

pakled_engineer wrote: post #12
hias wrote: post #6

How does this work? I guess they can not just ship the heavy guns via standard postal services? Aren't there controls in the shipping centers which check for scents of drugs, gunpowder, whatever?

Russians always use GPS drop since the post system there is totally unreliable. Everywhere else they disassemble and mail the guns with a pile of scrap and call it 'bike parts' or something. No idea how they ship the ammo I hope they don't mail it as it goes on passenger planes and live ammunition has to be secured so an LD3 doesnt roll around, crush something then set off bullets flying through the cabin.

> Russians always use GPS drop since the post system there is totally unreliable.

Could you explain me how GPS drop works (I couldn't find information on that topic via Google)?

Re: Tor: Illegal Weapons

#14

Post by logfromblammo »

wolfgke wrote: post #13
pakled_engineer wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russians always use GPS drop since the post system there is totally unreliable. Everywhere else they disassemble and mail the guns with a pile of scrap and call it 'bike parts' or something. No idea how they ship the ammo I hope they don't mail it as it goes on passenger planes and live ammunition has to be secured so an LD3 doesnt roll around, crush something then set off bullets flying through the cabin.

> Russians always use GPS drop since the post system there is totally unreliable. Could you explain me how GPS drop works (I couldn't find information on that topic via Google)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geocaching

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_drop

Think of it as an orienteering game with only two participants. You place the package in a location unlikely to be found accidentally. You transmit the GPS/Glonass location information to the second person. They go to the location and retrieve the package.

Re: Tor: Illegal Weapons

#15

Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

RVuRnvbM2e wrote: post #10
golemotron wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apples and oranges. Guns have no victim unless they are used and the vast majority of them, illegal or not, are never used to hurt anyone. Our society fetishes guns enormously. I know some people who would be uncomfortable being in someone's house if they new they had a gun, even if they trust and know everyone in the house. Those same people are never scared by steak or hunting knives in the same house.

In my country (Australia) I believe most people would be a little uncomfortable if they knew they were in a house with a gun. I'd certainly think the owner was a bit odd/unhinged unless they owned it as part of their employment (farmer, roo shooter etc.). That said, I don't see this as a big deal. It's always been possible to mail weapons from a jurisdiction with easier access to them. Tor black markets just make it…

I aalso live in Australia, and I can offer a different perspective.

I grew up in Port Lincoln in South Australia. My father owned a couple of .22 rifles, I've fired shotguns a few times, currently live in Launceston in Tasmania, more than half the 30 odd guys I work with own one or more (mostly more) guns. None of them require a firearm for work purposes, they're all hunters / enthusiasts.

Most of the people I know are comfortable with guns. None of the gun owners I know are "odd/unhinged", and I think that is an uncharitable characterisation of gun owners in this country.

For many people firearms are amazing creations of metallurgy and machining, and hold artistic values in and of themselves, in the same way some people appreciate knives or swords, or cars or aeroplanes.

Re: Tor: Illegal Weapons

#16

Post by wyager »

RVuRnvbM2e wrote: post #10
golemotron wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apples and oranges. Guns have no victim unless they are used and the vast majority of them, illegal or not, are never used to hurt anyone. Our society fetishes guns enormously. I know some people who would be uncomfortable being in someone's house if they new they had a gun, even if they trust and know everyone in the house. Those same people are never scared by steak or hunting knives in the same house.

In my country (Australia) I believe most people would be a little uncomfortable if they knew they were in a house with a gun. I'd certainly think the owner was a bit odd/unhinged unless they owned it as part of their employment (farmer, roo shooter etc.). That said, I don't see this as a big deal. It's always been possible to mail weapons from a jurisdiction with easier access to them. Tor black markets just make it…

> I believe most people would be a little uncomfortable if they knew they were in a house with a gun.

And most Americans would be uncomfortable going to a nude beach with their German friends. That says nothing about its morality or safety.

Re: Tor: Illegal Weapons

#17

Post by collyw »

mathgeek wrote: post #11
collyw wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you have the same attitude about kiddie porn? What you say is true, but being able to buy guns from Tor will save you a lot of hassle over trying to manufacture your own. I think I am pretty open minded, but I was fairly shocked at what claimed to be available when I logged onto Tor to see what it was all about.

> Would you have the same attitude about kiddie porn? Logical fallacy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children

It was a genuine question, rather than trying to prove a point.

I know what you are saying, but most people outside of the US see gun owning as a pretty serious problem.

Re: Tor: Illegal Weapons

#18

Post by fweespeech »

wolfgke wrote: post #13
pakled_engineer wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russians always use GPS drop since the post system there is totally unreliable. Everywhere else they disassemble and mail the guns with a pile of scrap and call it 'bike parts' or something. No idea how they ship the ammo I hope they don't mail it as it goes on passenger planes and live ammunition has to be secured so an LD3 doesnt roll around, crush something then set off bullets flying through the cabin.

> Russians always use GPS drop since the post system there is totally unreliable. Could you explain me how GPS drop works (I couldn't find information on that topic via Google)?

I'm not sure in this specific case but generally I'd consider it a blind drop with GPS coordinates and a description of the drop site.

Re: Tor: Illegal Weapons

#19

Post by Mimu »

golemotron wrote: post #9
collyw wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you have the same attitude about kiddie porn? What you say is true, but being able to buy guns from Tor will save you a lot of hassle over trying to manufacture your own. I think I am pretty open minded, but I was fairly shocked at what claimed to be available when I logged onto Tor to see what it was all about.

Apples and oranges. Guns have no victim unless they are used and the vast majority of them, illegal or not, are never used to hurt anyone. Our society fetishes guns enormously. I know some people who would be uncomfortable being in someone's house if they new they had a gun, even if they trust and know everyone in the house. Those same people are never scared by steak or hunting knives in the same house.

The only mean to a gun is to hurt people so comparing it to fruit or other useful tool is not very relevant imo.

Re: Tor: Illegal Weapons

#20

Post by harshreality »

RVuRnvbM2e wrote: post #10
golemotron wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apples and oranges. Guns have no victim unless they are used and the vast majority of them, illegal or not, are never used to hurt anyone. Our society fetishes guns enormously. I know some people who would be uncomfortable being in someone's house if they new they had a gun, even if they trust and know everyone in the house. Those same people are never scared by steak or hunting knives in the same house.

In my country (Australia) I believe most people would be a little uncomfortable if they knew they were in a house with a gun. I'd certainly think the owner was a bit odd/unhinged unless they owned it as part of their employment (farmer, roo shooter etc.). That said, I don't see this as a big deal. It's always been possible to mail weapons from a jurisdiction with easier access to them. Tor black markets just make it…

If someone isn't comfortable in a house with a gun, regardless of the upstanding character of the owner, that might indicate a harmful phobia of certain kinds of inanimate objects, but it's their choice not to visit a gun owner's house and nobody is going to take that choice away from them. A law against gun ownership is vastly different.

Plenty of people don't like drugs, particularly banned narcotics and stimulants. I might even be uncomfortable in certain instances visiting someone who I know has drugs. Presumably if they have them, they use them on occasion. Let's ban drugs, right? Who cares whose privacy and property rights are violated as long as I feel better?

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