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A man who was accidentally released from prison 88 years early

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Re: A man who was accidentally released from prison 88 years early

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> “Plainly said,” Orman wrote in his reply, “the Defendant had no business getting married and starting a family.” Wow. Just wow...

I came here to say just that. I can't believe someone who is supposed to represent justice can dehumanize someone to this point.

It's a very sad thing to read.

Re: A man who was accidentally released from prison 88 years early

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post #20

Talk about cruel punishments, locking up someone for two fucking robberies without any deaths for nearly a century is unreasonable, cruel and defies everything our civilization stands for. But hey, private prison operators need to make money and police/DA/any part of the justice system profits from being "tough on crime"... Thank God I'm German, even if you end up killing someone you'll at most get 15 years (okay, th…

Another side of this is that the harsher you make the punishments for small crimes, the less you discourage moving up to bigger crimes. If you're robbing a place and your punishment for being caught is effectively life in prison, what reason do you have not to murder all the potential witnesses to improve your odds of getting away with the crime? All you have is morality, and I don't want to rely on the morality of c…

If you're robbing a place and your punishment for being caught is effectively life in prison, what reason do you have not to murder all the potential witnesses to improve your odds of getting away with the crime? All you have is morality, and I don't want to rely on the morality of criminals.

In Heat, Al Pacino's character summarizes this attitude in a quick line (paraphrase): "Once it escalated to a murder-one for all of them, why not pop guard number two because ... what difference does it make?"

The scene is an armored truck holdup and a loose-cannon member of the robbers' crew shoots one of the two guards (By accident? Or is he a psychopath?). After this, the second guard needs to die, as a living witness, because the entire crew is already exposed to first-degree murder charges. Simple risk management.

Re: A man who was accidentally released from prison 88 years early

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post #23

This article was a very good read. If you are in America, you should try and contact that governor his family is lobbying. I would, but I'm not living in this country.

That would be Governor John Hickenlooper, http://www.colorado.gov/governor/

Send him a tweet: https://twitter.com/hickforco

Re: A man who was accidentally released from prison 88 years early

#54

Talk about cruel punishments, locking up someone for two fucking robberies without any deaths for nearly a century is unreasonable, cruel and defies everything our civilization stands for. But hey, private prison operators need to make money and police/DA/any part of the justice system profits from being "tough on crime"... Thank God I'm German, even if you end up killing someone you'll at most get 15 years (okay, th…

He should have ran for the Canadian border the day he was released by mistake. (Probably wouldn't have helped since we extradict.)

In Canada, you can kill someone and get only six years.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/killer-of-thai-welder...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/glowatski-sentenced-to-six-yea...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/northern-sask-man...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/kenny-gr...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/ryan-hickey-sent...

Re: A man who was accidentally released from prison 88 years early

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a reasonable comment, but what does it have to do with the comment you replied to?

I think he misread it. I had to absorb the sentiment of the rest of the post and re-read your first line a few times to properly parse it. For me, "the less you discourage" reads less clearly than "the more you encourage". I realise that the two aren't identical in meaning, but I would have chosen the latter because a compounded minimization ("the less you don't do x") is generally less immediately clear than a maxim…

Fair. Looks like he's not alone, too. I'll keep that in mind!

Re: A man who was accidentally released from prison 88 years early

#56
post #27

The U.S. incarcerates more people than China. Not per capita, mind you. More total people. If ever there's a stellar example of the kind of disaster that can result from privatizing a government function, this is it. Private prisons have a strong profit motive to increase the number of people behind bars until we have the kind of situation we have today in the U.S. These are folks who can afford to pay lobbyists to c…

I don't know that you can directly compare the two judicial systems. Especially when China executes roughly 61 times as many prisoners - often for petty crimes from repeat offenders.

That being said the US puts far too many people in jail, often for far too long of sentences.

Re: A man who was accidentally released from prison 88 years early

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The main function of prisons is to keep the criminals away from law-abiding society. Note that the guy's accomplice continued his criminal behavior inside prison. That said, 10-15 is more than enough for this kind of crime.

The main function of prisons is to keep the criminals away from law-abiding society Really? I thought it was about correcting/reforming.

Depends on the country maybe? Here in Brazil no one believes criminals can be fixed, here we want them away, locked up or dead.

Re: A man who was accidentally released from prison 88 years early

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Talk about cruel punishments, locking up someone for two fucking robberies without any deaths for nearly a century is unreasonable, cruel and defies everything our civilization stands for. But hey, private prison operators need to make money and police/DA/any part of the justice system profits from being "tough on crime"... Thank God I'm German, even if you end up killing someone you'll at most get 15 years (okay, th…

He should have ran for the Canadian border the day he was released by mistake. (Probably wouldn't have helped since we extradict.) In Canada, you can kill someone and get only six years. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/killer-of-thai-welder... http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/glowatski-sentenced-to-six-yea... http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/northern-sask-man... http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundlan…

If I wanted to murder someone what would be the best country to do it? Obviously not the US.

Edit: I mean get caught, do my time and be on my way.

Re: A man who was accidentally released from prison 88 years early

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why, what would be your concern? Source: http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Germany/Uni... Murder rate for 2011 (Homicide rate per year per 100,000 inhabitants): Germany: 0.86. USA: 5. That's nearly 6x as many murders per capita in the USA than Germany.

Germans don't cross an empty street against the light and register with the police every time they move. I am not sure you can really compare the two.

So, now I'm not a german anymore because I did cross a street against the light? (multiple times even) You're cruel :(

Re: A man who was accidentally released from prison 88 years early

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another side of this is that the harsher you make the punishments for small crimes, the less you discourage moving up to bigger crimes. If you're robbing a place and your punishment for being caught is effectively life in prison, what reason do you have not to murder all the potential witnesses to improve your odds of getting away with the crime? All you have is morality, and I don't want to rely on the morality of c…

If you're robbing a place and your punishment for being caught is effectively life in prison, what reason do you have not to murder all the potential witnesses to improve your odds of getting away with the crime? All you have is morality, and I don't want to rely on the morality of criminals. In Heat , Al Pacino's character summarizes this attitude in a quick line (paraphrase): "Once it escalated to a murder-one for…

Right. In that scene, the criminals (aside from the nutjob who shoots the first guard) are somewhat moral, but once the first guard dies, the cold calculations outweigh their somewhat loose morality.

(Great movie, too. If anyone else is reading this and wonders wtf it's all about, go check it out.)

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