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HN Cheaters: Catch me if you can

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Re: HN Cheaters: Catch me if you can

#41
I'm relatively new to HN and I dont understand how your article gets to the FP, I don't know if is the upvotes, karma, comments, etc.

I had a submission for three days in the FP and that was the only time I didn't ask any friend to upvote me over IM.

Re: HN Cheaters: Catch me if you can

#43
Just by looking at the whos is hiring posts over the last year you can see that HN is growing fast and gaining a lot new readership.

I wonder how long it will be before front page submissions become a commodity? How long until usernames with high karma can be sold? Is this place going to turn into digg and reddit with constant manipulation under the thin veil.

Re: HN Cheaters: Catch me if you can

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So how do you fix it? I don't really see another way to rank large amounts of stories other than points. Sure, you can try to detect cheating, but you want a minimal amount of false positives, too. Edit: missing word

Few options: make system more complex, add randomization, increase moderation effort or make it less open.

I am fan of adding randomization. It was previously proposed: show few random new items on a front page in random places, maybe with a little threshold.

I was thinking about community page destined to fork. After community reaches certain threshold (size, activity) there is automatic fork and 2nd generation community is created. Some algorithm adds accounts for certain users and blocks some other users from account creation. It's just a pipe dream...

Re: HN Cheaters: Catch me if you can

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(I have the 2nd story HN as I write this.) I've had front page stories on HN maybe five or six times over the last couple of years. I don't feel anything has changed over that time. If you look at my submission history, you'll see about 90% of what I submit gets no votes. I once tried submitting a story a couple of times when I felt that it was getting less traction than expected - it made no difference. I'm actually…

I can report roughly the same thing.

However, I'm sometime quite disappointed that what I submit does not get traction because I really think it is interesting to the HN community and the discussion here would be even more interesting. I guess the time of posting and luck plays a big part in what is upvoted.

I sometimes link my newly created posts to friends or IRC (some of them have HN accounts and may upvote) but it doesn't seem to make any difference.

Re: HN Cheaters: Catch me if you can

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(I have the 2nd story HN as I write this.) I've had front page stories on HN maybe five or six times over the last couple of years. I don't feel anything has changed over that time. If you look at my submission history, you'll see about 90% of what I submit gets no votes. I once tried submitting a story a couple of times when I felt that it was getting less traction than expected - it made no difference. I'm actually…

"I don't feel anything has changed over that time."

Approaching 3000 days on HN. The things I notice most:

* increase in users has increased the churn rate of new submissions.

* the new page is dead because of the submission rate. good stories disappear off the stack quickly.

* the up-click is not a good indicator of story quality. I now see stories with up to 80 votes sans one comment. I used to read the comments BEFORE the post. This has now changed because of limited comments.

* the rate of high vote submission decay, means some good stories are lost as the HN crowd chew over some interesting post(s).

* also interesting to see users comment/post ratio. A lot of ppl have limited or no posts yet they comment. If you look at my post profile, in the last 60 days I've posted 100 posts. Approx 1:25 hit > 100. It would be interesting to see how this has changed over time. cf: https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=bootload&next=9025...

The biggest problem is the dilution of good posts/actual posts. Slow the rate of posts and might influence the quality of posts.

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