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Re: Last universal ancestor

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Quote from article "Note, however, that some studies suggest that LUCA may have lacked DNA and been defined wholly through RNA".

How can anyone make this claim? Is there a single example of a living organisms that is not DNA based? If everyone organism alive today uses DNA then it is reasonable to assume that the LUCA was DNA based (which does NOT preclude the possibility that life started off as RNA based). I guess that's wikipedia for you.

Re: Last universal ancestor

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post #11

Quote from article "Note, however, that some studies suggest that LUCA may have lacked DNA and been defined wholly through RNA". How can anyone make this claim? Is there a single example of a living organisms that is not DNA based? If everyone organism alive today uses DNA then it is reasonable to assume that the LUCA was DNA based (which does NOT preclude the possibility that life started off as RNA based). I guess…

Fortunately, a citation is provided. I guess that's wikipedia for you.

Re: Last universal ancestor

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Why is there only one "beginning of life" on earth? If life is likely to form in earth-like conditions after a few billion years, shouldn't there be more than one "last universal ancestor"? Does this suggest that life on other earth-like planets may be very rare, or that ours is a unique life form for our environment?

People have seriously suggested that the Eukaryotes and Archea have a different DNA than the Prokaryotes:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC148579/

That is, DNA evolved twice on Earth. That seems like "life beginning more than once" or something very close.

Note that almost everyone involved thinks that mitochondria and chloroplasts are prokaryotes captured one way or another by Eukaryotes, so the distinction about two evolutions of DNA gets a bit messy.

Re: Last universal ancestor

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For anyone wondering if there were multiple LUAs: https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/1bjvxs/how_do_w...

Doesn't the existence of multiple LUAs contradict either the word 'last' or the word 'universal'?

The possibility of 2 non-monozygotic twins having identical genes is not zero, just astronomically low. Its the same for LUA.

Re: Last universal ancestor

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post #11

Quote from article "Note, however, that some studies suggest that LUCA may have lacked DNA and been defined wholly through RNA". How can anyone make this claim? Is there a single example of a living organisms that is not DNA based? If everyone organism alive today uses DNA then it is reasonable to assume that the LUCA was DNA based (which does NOT preclude the possibility that life started off as RNA based). I guess…

>>Is there a single example of a living organisms that is not DNA based?

Consider that cells are mostly ribosomal RNA/units by mass.

Re: Last universal ancestor

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post #5

Why is there only one "beginning of life" on earth? If life is likely to form in earth-like conditions after a few billion years, shouldn't there be more than one "last universal ancestor"? Does this suggest that life on other earth-like planets may be very rare, or that ours is a unique life form for our environment?

It's very possible that life arose independently multiple times, but one group grew fast enough to drive all the others to extinction. The life forms we observe now almost certainly came from one ancestor due to the numerous molecular similarities (e.g. use of the same form of DNA).

That ignores the possibility that early forms of life combined to form fitter symbiotic life forms.

The parallel that comes to mind is the mitochondria within animal cells, they probably originated as independent bacteria.

Re: Last universal ancestor

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For anyone wondering if there were multiple LUAs: https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/1bjvxs/how_do_w...

Doesn't the existence of multiple LUAs contradict either the word 'last' or the word 'universal'?

Yes, except that the correct number isn't 1.

It's 2. :)

Re: Last universal ancestor

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't the existence of multiple LUAs contradict either the word 'last' or the word 'universal'?

Yes, except that the correct number isn't 1. It's 2. :)

Why? Its the ancestor of all organism, including single celled bacteria.

Re: Last universal ancestor

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post #11

Quote from article "Note, however, that some studies suggest that LUCA may have lacked DNA and been defined wholly through RNA". How can anyone make this claim? Is there a single example of a living organisms that is not DNA based? If everyone organism alive today uses DNA then it is reasonable to assume that the LUCA was DNA based (which does NOT preclude the possibility that life started off as RNA based). I guess…

Fortunately, a citation is provided. I guess that's wikipedia for you.

> For starters, LUCA may not have used DNA. Poole has studied the history of enzymes called ribonucleotide reductases, which create the building blocks of DNA, and found no evidence that LUCA had them (BMC Evolutionary Biology, DOI: 10.1186/1471-2148-10-383)[0]. Instead, it may have used RNA: many biologists think RNA came first because it can store information and control chemical reactions (New Scientist, 13 August, p 32)[1].

These are from the New Scientist article that wikipedia referenced. I don't understand the references here, but hopefully someone will see this that can help explain exactly how an organism doesn't have DNA, only RNA.

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[0]: http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2148/10/383

[1]: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21128251.300-first-lif...

Re: Last universal ancestor

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't the existence of multiple LUAs contradict either the word 'last' or the word 'universal'?

The possibility of 2 non-monozygotic twins having identical genes is not zero, just astronomically low. Its the same for LUA.

The possibility of you turning into a teapot is non-zero, just astronomically low.
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