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“We would be willing to set up a $2,500 bounty to implement scrollbar styling”

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Re: “We would be willing to set up a $2,500 bounty to implement scrollbar styling”

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Should we consider an anti-bounty system where we agree to pay more to the foundation for not implementing a `feature`? I personally, don't like websites breaking the 4th wall.

Scrollbar style is the 4th wall? How arbitrary can you get?

Re: “We would be willing to set up a $2,500 bounty to implement scrollbar styling”

#5

Should we consider an anti-bounty system where we agree to pay more to the foundation for not implementing a `feature`? I personally, don't like websites breaking the 4th wall.

Scrollbar style is the 4th wall? How arbitrary can you get?

The scroll bar is (or should be!) OS-controlled. Why give people the opportunity to muck up the scroll bar and add their crazy ideas. The browser belongs to the user, not the website.

Re: “We would be willing to set up a $2,500 bounty to implement scrollbar styling”

#6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Scrollbar style is the 4th wall? How arbitrary can you get?

The scroll bar is (or should be!) OS-controlled. Why give people the opportunity to muck up the scroll bar and add their crazy ideas. The browser belongs to the user, not the website.

Yes, those crazy ideas, like styling buttons and text areas.

I'm sorry, I can't take this sort of complaint seriously...

Re: “We would be willing to set up a $2,500 bounty to implement scrollbar styling”

#7

Please link to the actual place on the page you are referring to. The discussion spans 14 years. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77790#c188

I realized my mistake as soon as I pressed send. I can't find a way to edit it. Mods?

Re: “We would be willing to set up a $2,500 bounty to implement scrollbar styling”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Scrollbar style is the 4th wall? How arbitrary can you get?

The scroll bar is (or should be!) OS-controlled. Why give people the opportunity to muck up the scroll bar and add their crazy ideas. The browser belongs to the user, not the website.

I agree, and I personally really hate it when websites provide their own scrolling mechanism, as it usually doesn't support two-finger (mouse wheel) scroll, doesn't have acceleration, doesn't have my OS scroll speed, etc. IMO overriding scroll bars on your site / app is almost always a bad idea, as it leads to poor UX / usability.

Edit: I'd also extend my opinion to cover things like a strip of items which must be scrolled through using other UI elements (e.g. Arrows or bubbles). While cute (maybe), this only allows uses to scroll at the one speed you give them. Just put it in a horizontal scroll or better yet, do something completely different.

Re: “We would be willing to set up a $2,500 bounty to implement scrollbar styling”

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I was reading through this, just laughing and laughing at how ridiculous it was that people in 2001 thought changing the color of the scroll bar was somehow important or useful. I was all, "Hahah, people were very silly in 2001, and the web was a very silly place."

Then, as the years crept ever forward, I began to realize this isn't a blast from the past...it's not like a discussion about the blink tag. It's a real thing that people still actually give a shit about 14 years later! My whole perspective on the thread changed.

I'm just gonna say that I have never once, in my entire 20+ years of building things on the web, wanted to change the color of the browser scroll bar. Until I read this thread I wouldn't have even realized someone would want to change the scroll bar. It seems like such an odd thing to do, and I'm imagining it looking silly, like something out of a 2001 page design (but maybe it doesn't look silly when done well).

But, I'm not a designer. Maybe I just don't get it. Either way, I use Firefox, and I do not care whether the scroll bar color can be changed.

Edit: I don't mean to insult folks who do think this is a useful feature. I'm really just expressing my genuine surprise at the entire tone of the linked thread. I don't oppose inclusion of this feature, and lots of people have mentioned valid reasons why they want it. I will likely never truly understand it, or share that desire, but I'm certainly not gonna get scrappy about it. And, I probably wouldn't even notice, if it did become available in Firefox tomorrow.

Re: “We would be willing to set up a $2,500 bounty to implement scrollbar styling”

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The scroll bar is (or should be!) OS-controlled. Why give people the opportunity to muck up the scroll bar and add their crazy ideas. The browser belongs to the user, not the website.

I agree, and I personally really hate it when websites provide their own scrolling mechanism, as it usually doesn't support two-finger (mouse wheel) scroll, doesn't have acceleration, doesn't have my OS scroll speed, etc. IMO overriding scroll bars on your site / app is almost always a bad idea, as it leads to poor UX / usability. Edit: I'd also extend my opinion to cover things like a strip of items which must be sc…

I think this may be a proposal to allow for scrollers that behave natively but are visually unrecognizable as such. While in theory that may allow for the worst offenders to rein things in a bit, I suspect it will more likely be taken as an invitation for people to make their sites less usable and accessible.
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