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Re: Estonia's e-residency program expands abroad

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Post by coretx »

Buetol wrote: post #15

I thought of a simple solution to the verifiability problem, what do you think ? - When voting, each voter receive a receipt with a random number assigned to his vote - All the votes are published with the random numbers alongside them - Each voter can verify that his vote was correctly saved by looking at his assigned number in the list It's not perfect but relying on a central server is far worse I think (like the…

The Estonian E-voting system is incredibly broken by design as you can see in this CCC lecture: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY_pHvhE4os ( by J. Alex Halderman )

Re: Estonia's e-residency program expands abroad

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Post by emerongi »

coretx wrote: post #18
octaveguin wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not too worried about identity theft due to simply having an e-residency. That seems like quite a stretch. Russians in Estonia have an interesting recent history but as far as I understand it, a lot can't even vote in national or EU elections. If anything Russian residents hold too little power over the country they call home. Also according to Estonia's own population estimates, Tallinn is made up predominantly…

There is basically two political parties in Estonia. A russian one, and a Estonian one. The capital, where most people live is politically dominated by Russians. I just invited some Estonian friends that campaign against the ID-Card and E-voting system to respond in this thread :)

That's not true at all. Keskerakond does hold a lot of power (in Tallinn), but you're overdramatizing it way too much.

The reason why you're saying that there's "two political parties" is because Estonians' votes are spread out between 3-5 parties, whereas Russians only vote for 1 (Keskerakond). So yes, in the end, there's two main big parties (which is the same for a lot of countries), but saying that there's "basically 2 parties" is completely ignorant. Estonians' views are spread out, whereas Russians feel like they have to vote for Keskerakond to have at least some political power. Also to note, a lot of elderly Estonians also vote for Keskerakond (my grandparents for example), so Keskerakond is not just a Russian party.

Re: Estonia's e-residency program expands abroad

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Post by cpursley »

coretx wrote: post #13
dijit wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russian is the big bad and is trying to control you! /s Estonia is not Russia, not even close, they're part of the EU and constrained by EU law. Just because people in parliment are of russian descent does not make them pro-russia either. Stop being so racist.

Dijit, i'm not being racist here. I'm being political here. Russia having a "claim" on the baltic states is a public secret. Russia trying to subvert and destabilize the baltic states is publically known as well. Regarding your EU statements, have you read the offical opinion of the EU on Russia ? It's a THREAT to the European Union, especially regarding the baltic member states. However, the documents also note that…

"Russia trying to subvert and destabilize the baltic states is publically known as well." What a crock of bullshit.

Re: Estonia's e-residency program expands abroad

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Post by ptaipale »

cpursley wrote: post #23
coretx wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dijit, i'm not being racist here. I'm being political here. Russia having a "claim" on the baltic states is a public secret. Russia trying to subvert and destabilize the baltic states is publically known as well. Regarding your EU statements, have you read the offical opinion of the EU on Russia ? It's a THREAT to the European Union, especially regarding the baltic member states. However, the documents also note that…

"Russia trying to subvert and destabilize the baltic states is publically known as well." What a crock of bullshit.

People in Baltics disagree with that.

"Russian President Vladimir Putin was a "real and present danger" to Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania and NATO was getting ready to repel any aggression, British Defence Secretary Michael Fallon said." [0]

"Michael Fallon, the British defense secretary, warned that there is a real and present danger that Russian President Vladimir Putin will launch a campaign of undercover attacks to destabilize the Baltic states, in an interview given to the Daily Telegraph. Estonian politicians said that there is a reason to be vigilant, but asked to avoid hysteria." [1]

While there is no imminent threat of attack, the Russian antagonism towards Baltic states has been very very evident to everybody since the Bronze Warrior clashes.

"According to historian Alexander Daniel, the Bronze Soldier has symbolic value to Estonia's Russians, symbolising not only Soviet victory over Germany in the Great Patriotic War, but also their claim to rights in Estonia.[18] Most Estonians considered the Bronze Soldier a symbol of Soviet occupation and repression following World War II.[19]" [2]

Seeing how Russian proxies and provocateurs make propaganda, a claim about Russian attempts to destabilize Baltic states is not bullshit at all.

[0] http://vm.ee/et/uudised/eesti-valismeedias-19-veebruar-2015-...

[1] http://news.err.ee/v/International/21492b15-2486-4720-aeb8-8...

[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze_Soldier_of_Tallinn

Re: Estonia's e-residency program expands abroad

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Post by qb »

octaveguin wrote: post #5

I recently applied for an Estonian e-residency. Heres what I did: The first thing to know is that you have to physically be there to apply. I went to Estonia and applied at the local police station. I know that sounds weird but thats how you do it. In Estonia, this is where you go to renew driver's licenses and a lot of governmental things. It was relatively painless. I didn't need to make an appointment. It's just l…

You can write to the Estonian Police and Border Guard (teenindus@politsei.ee) and ask for your card to be sent (free of charge) from the police station where you applied to any Estonian embassy. My card was waiting in Tallinn as well since I don't have the time to go there again to collect the card in the next couple of months, so I had it sent to Berlin. Might take two or three weeks for it to arrive.

Re: Estonia's e-residency program expands abroad

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Post by flixic »

cpursley wrote: post #23
coretx wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dijit, i'm not being racist here. I'm being political here. Russia having a "claim" on the baltic states is a public secret. Russia trying to subvert and destabilize the baltic states is publically known as well. Regarding your EU statements, have you read the offical opinion of the EU on Russia ? It's a THREAT to the European Union, especially regarding the baltic member states. However, the documents also note that…

"Russia trying to subvert and destabilize the baltic states is publically known as well." What a crock of bullshit.

As a citizen of Lithuania, I disagree. You can feel destabilization efforts here.

Re: Estonia's e-residency program expands abroad

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Post by higherpurpose »

octaveguin wrote: post #5

I recently applied for an Estonian e-residency. Heres what I did: The first thing to know is that you have to physically be there to apply. I went to Estonia and applied at the local police station. I know that sounds weird but thats how you do it. In Estonia, this is where you go to renew driver's licenses and a lot of governmental things. It was relatively painless. I didn't need to make an appointment. It's just l…

Step 1: get Estonian e-citizenship by giving them your fingerprint to keep in their centralized database

Step 2: NSA, GCHQ, Russia and China steal the whole fingerprint database, which includes your fingerprint

Step 3: Now your iPhone/Android phone that uses fingerprint reader is vulnerable to hacking

Re: Estonia's e-residency program expands abroad

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Post by ptaipale »

dijit wrote: post #12
coretx wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Congratulations, between now and whenever the Kremlin feels like it, a foreign entity now controls your identity and can create legally binding contracts in your name. Never forget that 70%> of the people living in Talinn are non-estonians, and mostly Russian. And gues what: They hold power over half of their parliament.

Russian is the big bad and is trying to control you! /s Estonia is not Russia, not even close, they're part of the EU and constrained by EU law. Just because people in parliment are of russian descent does not make them pro-russia either. Stop being so racist.

> Estonia is not Russia, not even close

Estonia definitely is not Russia, but it is close to Russia.

So close that Estonian policeman Eston Kohver is on trial in Moscow; according to Estonians, he was abducted from Estonia where he was investigating cross-border crime; according to Russia he was spying in Russia. The border is not so clearly marked that outsiders could reliably prove what happened.

This resembles the case of Ukrainian female pilot Nadiya Savchenko who was arrested by Russian forces/proxies in Ukraine and is to go on trial in Moscow. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28249884

Re: Estonia's e-residency program expands abroad

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Post by retroam »

higherpurpose wrote: post #28
octaveguin wrote: post #5

I recently applied for an Estonian e-residency. Heres what I did: The first thing to know is that you have to physically be there to apply. I went to Estonia and applied at the local police station. I know that sounds weird but thats how you do it. In Estonia, this is where you go to renew driver's licenses and a lot of governmental things. It was relatively painless. I didn't need to make an appointment. It's just l…

Step 1: get Estonian e-citizenship by giving them your fingerprint to keep in their centralized database Step 2: NSA, GCHQ, Russia and China steal the whole fingerprint database, which includes your fingerprint Step 3: Now your iPhone/Android phone that uses fingerprint reader is vulnerable to hacking

From personal experience, the US has been fingerprinting non-US nationals at the airports for a decade now. So NSA has had such a database for a significant time. However, I still doubt they have figured out to hack the iPhone using said database. But this is just my personal opinion...
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