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New Hacker News Guideline: Avoid Gratuitous Negativity

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Re: New Hacker News Guideline: Avoid Gratuitous Negativity

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One of the most passive-aggressive habits is avoiding negativity experiences and emotional developments to feel positively correct. Maturity realizing empathy seconds, that line numbers need to grow exponentially for any form of -logy, requires a deeper stance for tense problem solving pain points.

I agree with the avoiding negativity, but can you elaborate on an example of avoiding "emotional developments to feel positively correct"

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Re: New Hacker News Guideline: Avoid Gratuitous Negativity

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No, hypocrisy. You don't get to pick and choose who to interpret charitably unless you want to be a hypocrite. But here's the thing. That idea is valid even though your dislike of my post is going to drive you to continue attacking me unnecessarily. and that is why I have a tendency to dismiss people.

"Charitable reading" is not synonymous with "ignore abuse and snark". Edit: oldmanjay - I can't reply yet, so editing here: mreiland is basically arguing that abuse should be let through because of 'charitable reading'. I'm commenting against that concept, not chiding mreiland for being abusive. However, mreiland is definitely being snarky - if you wanted to read this comment as chiding the behaviour in this thread,…

Just so you know, if you want to reply to a comment before the reply link shows up, clicking on the description of post time (e.g. '1 hour ago') will enable the reply feature. It's not very intuitive, but it is a reliable workaround.

Re: New Hacker News Guideline: Avoid Gratuitous Negativity

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Request for a special case: if we are the original author or it's a ShowHN, can we allow gratuitous negativity by declaration? I've had some people talk some mad shit about intercooler.js and yet, after engaging them a bit, I learned some very useful things.

I don't think that violates the spirit of the guidelines, so why not.

Re: New Hacker News Guideline: Avoid Gratuitous Negativity

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The problem is that "shallow cynicism", "gratuitous negativity", and "all forms of meanness" are vague distinctions all subject to interpretation.

Guidelines like this should have specific examples to aid in their definitions so we can criticize or agree with them. What could be considered "mean" to someone emotional/thin skinned, might be interpreted as helpful criticism to someone not so sensitive.

Sometimes it's really hard to say something respectfully negative (oxymoron), and even harder for it to be interpreted as respectful. I, for one, appreciate when people talk trash to me (especially when I'm wrong). It's an awakening I sometimes don't get from a less firm/colorful counterargument.

Re: New Hacker News Guideline: Avoid Gratuitous Negativity

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The whole site needs rewriting and modernizing. Considering the audience, it's kind of shocking how stale it is.

That's true if you assume that every feature moves the community forward. But not all of them do; many features regress us. For instance: unlike on Reddit, there's no indication when someone's responded to one of your questions. As a result, very few arguments last more than a few hours here. I'm particularly leery of collapsible threads, although my understanding is we're about to get them anyways.

I'm subscribed to HN Notify, and personally, while I admit I sometimes use it to carry on unproductive arguments, I also often get replies that are positive or neutral in tone and contribute more information to the discussion; since they're replies to me and to whatever specific point I commented on, I'm generally interested in reading them even if the version of the entire discussion I originally read did a decent job of covering the topic. (Actually, scrolling through a list of my HN Notify emails, it seems non-negative replies are by far the most common case. I don't remember them as such, probably because involved arguments stand out more than random bits of discussion.) Therefore, I'm glad to have the service, and I'm skeptical that it would really be so bad to give it to users who aren't savvy enough to know that HN Notify exists.

Re: New Hacker News Guideline: Avoid Gratuitous Negativity

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I disagree. A lot of HN's character and culture are a result of how unmodern/unconventional it is. For example, not being able to get reply updates by email means you have to come back to the site to check, for example. Is that good or bad? I don't know the answer, but it selects a different audience. A modern HN would be a different HN community and culture.

It is actually possible to get e-mail notifications via this external service: http://hnnotify.com/

However, that still makes it a conscious choice to engage with the service that way - the default way is still checking back, and that shapes the general usage patterns of the site, even if some people have concluded it benefits them more to modify their experience.

Re: New Hacker News Guideline: Avoid Gratuitous Negativity

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Old Hacker News Guideline: Avoidant (Kill Pain.) New Hacker News Guideline: Avoid Trauma (Kill Pain. Be Nice!) I (CC) @traumahack because I feel we are mistaking advanced emotional-intelligence with objectification eracing perfect forms. The bitcism of pretending we can order people to make empathy.money by requring we read documentation to spell our own feelings and thoughts. Amount of energy being distressed for di…

The racial biteracy and bitcism is so deep that we literally and figuratively change the color of the words we miss as law. What are we object-relational mapping legal-rational-emotional consciousness by proscribing that error-missing. (Reps memory ignorance as-if, as-shh-if, some sort of truth syrum?) ((War machinery organization is recreational for private supermoderation corporations clustering and cultivating pub…

Rainbows colors of law would be healthier.

Re: New Hacker News Guideline: Avoid Gratuitous Negativity

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post #386

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The racial biteracy and bitcism is so deep that we literally and figuratively change the color of the words we miss as law. What are we object-relational mapping legal-rational-emotional consciousness by proscribing that error-missing. (Reps memory ignorance as-if, as-shh-if, some sort of truth syrum?) ((War machinery organization is recreational for private supermoderation corporations clustering and cultivating pub…

Rainbows colors of law would be healthier.

Rainbow filters would be smarter and healthier, for the research and development community here is being given limited feeds.
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