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Re: Visual Studio 2015 announced

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Is Visual Studio made with .NET? If it was I could dream of a Mac/Linux version one day...

Yes. It's a WPF app running on the framework. MS has no plans to open source WPF or include the required assemblies into the CoreCLR so I doubt we will ever see VS running on a *nix platform.

The majority of the Visual Studio code is still C++. The shell was rewritten to use WPF and MEF. So, I wouldn't exactly call it a WPF app. More like it uses some WPF.

Re: Visual Studio 2015 announced

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MSDN (especially in the enterprise/corporate environment) is absolutely worth it. If you're just doing basic development, the community edition is actually really good and completely free.

Interesting. What value would msdn give me?

Looks like all the microsoft catalog https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/subscriptions/downloads/def...

Re: Visual Studio 2015 announced

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This is a confusing announcement from Microsoft. They are actually announcing a new product lineup (1) and not a new release for actual download . The article predicts that the actual release (RTM) will be in the summer. The current (beta) release is still CTP 6 which was already announced a few weeks ago. I suppose this is a press release intended more for the corporate IT manager planning his purchasing budget (wha…

I'm not sure how this is confusing. It very clearly says that it is announcing a new product line in the first sentence of the announcement.

It's confusing because when Microsoft has put prior splashy pages announcing VS2010, VS2012, and VS2013, the actual RTM downloadable iso images were available the same day.

Therefore, it's not unreasonable to read their verbage of the first sentence [with interpretation in brackets] as:

>Introducing the newly announced Visual Studio 2015 product line [so go and download the new RTM iso image that's in the link below], including the all-new Visual Studio Enterprise with MSDN, Visual Studio Professional with MSDN, and the free Visual Studio Community edition.

... instead of reading it like Microsoft intends:

>Introducing the newly announced Visual Studio 2015 product line [and you've already got the latest beta version last week so don't go looking for the RTM until summer], including the all-new Visual Studio Enterprise with MSDN, Visual Studio Professional with MSDN, and the free Visual Studio Community edition.

A bit of Pavlov's conditioning based on the last 3 VS releases makes the bold headlines a little confusing. The fact that it's on HN's front page makes it seem like a more newsworthy announcement than it actually is. The expected summer RTM would be more typical of rising to the HN front page(1). This announcement of reshuffling SKU editions doesn't seem to warrant the hype of being voted to the front page -- unless -- people misunderstand what Microsoft is actually announcing. :-)

(1) it was #2 on the front page before I wrote this post. In the 5 minutes it took to write this post and save it, it's now #236. I suppose an moderator pushed it down into oblivion as a service to HN readers.

Re: Visual Studio 2015 announced

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The pricing for Visual Studio kind of blows my mind. I happen to think it's a great product and I don't mind paying for software (as a developer I want people to pay for software, or at least value it highly) but it creates a pretty high barrier to entry for developing Windows software.

Although maybe I'm wrong: I don't know exactly how restricted the free Community edition is. Also, Resharper apparently works with the free Community edition so that's a huge plus.

Re: Visual Studio 2015 announced

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The pricing for Visual Studio kind of blows my mind. I happen to think it's a great product and I don't mind paying for software (as a developer I want people to pay for software, or at least value it highly) but it creates a pretty high barrier to entry for developing Windows software. Although maybe I'm wrong: I don't know exactly how restricted the free Community edition is. Also, Resharper apparently works with t…

The Community edition is basically the Professional edition with licensing restrictions. Meaning extensions are fully supported. From the [official page](https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/products/visual-studio-co...)

> Q: Who can use Visual Studio Community?

> A: Here’s how individual developers can use Visual Studio Community: Any individual developer can use Visual Studio Community to create their own free or paid apps. Here’s how Visual Studio Community can be used in organizations: An unlimited number of users within an organization can use Visual Studio Community for the following scenarios: in a classroom learning environment, for academic research, or for contributing to open source projects. For all other usage scenarios: In non-enterprise organizations, up to 5 users can use Visual Studio Community. In enterprise organizations (meaning those with >250 PCs or > $1 Million US Dollars in annual revenue), no use is permitted beyond the open source, academic research, and classroom learning environment scenarios described above.

From another [article](http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dorischen/archive/2014/11/12/q-amp-a...)

> Q: What are the specific features of the Visual Studio Community 2013?

> A: Visual Studio Community 2013 shares the same features as Visual Studio Professional 2013 today and licensing terms determine who can use this product. Based on the target audience for this product, SharePoint, Office, LightSwitch and Cloud Business Applications are not included in the installation.

Edit: formatting, can't figure out how to quote the text.

Re: Visual Studio 2015 announced

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

MSDN (especially in the enterprise/corporate environment) is absolutely worth it. If you're just doing basic development, the community edition is actually really good and completely free.

Interesting. What value would msdn give me?

Depending on the subscription level, you get access to the Microsoft software catalog and can basically download and keep all the licenses you need.

This isn't really something you buy as an individual unless you're a consultant or running a small shop but it's great for enterprises to get the IDE and all the production software as well (Windows, SQL, etc).

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That's pretty much the definition of "deprecated".

It might seem that way... but "non-enterprise" based on the Community Edition's licensing terms is basically just open-source + hobbyist use. Your company becomes 'enterprise' the moment it surpasses $1 million of revenue. Not even revenue from software created, revenue period.

I'd have thought there was a decent space between "hobbyist" and "$1m annual revenue". A lot of small software businesses would fall into that bucket.

Re: Visual Studio 2015 announced

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Is Visual Studio made with .NET? If it was I could dream of a Mac/Linux version one day...

XamarinStudio has gotten a lot nicer the past two-three years. That might be worth a go. I've also had varying success running VisualStudio well in VirtualBox.

Re: Visual Studio 2015 announced

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post #15

This is a confusing announcement from Microsoft. They are actually announcing a new product lineup (1) and not a new release for actual download . The article predicts that the actual release (RTM) will be in the summer. The current (beta) release is still CTP 6 which was already announced a few weeks ago. I suppose this is a press release intended more for the corporate IT manager planning his purchasing budget (wha…

I posted it and I received it because I have a MSDN subscription so I agree, it's more for telling use that is coming, the merge change that you noted etc..
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