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Tesla is a Battery Company

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Re: Tesla is a Battery Company

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How are they multi-national?

They sell cars in multiple countries. For example, here in the Netherlands, Tesla has a pretty big presence for the size of the company. I frequently see Model S's on the roads here.

I'm not sure that qualifies as multi-national. I'd say you have to own R&D in multiple countries, not just sell there (through someone probably). But I see your point.

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I can't see Musk trying to build a battery company as his primary focus. That's not exactly a world-changing life goal (well, for him. I'd be happy with that). That's like saying that Apple is a chip company because their chips are central to efficiency. The battery might currently be the most important single component of an EV, but there is no guarantee that will be true in five/ten/twenty years. The car is more th…

I have no idea if batteries are Musk's primary focus here, but creating very cheap and dense storage for electricity WOULD be as world-changing as you can get: if you solve that problem, you can't just replace combustion engines in cars, you can also use solar and wind power for base load on the grid.

This would be much more world-changing than cheap rockets.

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I'm sort of curious how the economics of this will end up working out from a consumer's perspective. Lithium ion's big advantage was energy density -- you can store a lot of juice for not much mass or volume, which is a really big deal for portable electronics or cars... for a stationary home installation, though, much less so. Having a giant thing sitting in your backyard might be okay if it was high-capacity and ch…

> Having a giant thing sitting in your backyard might be okay if it was high-capacity and cheap

There are also walls you could embed batteries in. A house has a lot of surface area that could be used to store energy.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They sell cars in multiple countries. For example, here in the Netherlands, Tesla has a pretty big presence for the size of the company. I frequently see Model S's on the roads here.

I'm not sure that qualifies as multi-national. I'd say you have to own R&D in multiple countries, not just sell there (through someone probably). But I see your point.

Tesla has a distribution-centre near Eindhoven, The Netherlands.

Re: Tesla is a Battery Company

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Musk has previously said in an interview that Li-Ion batteries were at $600 / kwh, but when he looked at the component and manufacturing costs they were at $100 / kwh. Somehow the entire supply chain has piked up a lot of overhead, and he realized it would be possible to reduce that. At those prices, Model-S battery pack costs are between $36k and $51k! When I realized that, I came to conclusion that Tesla Motors cou…

You use "Gigafactory" as if it was an established word. It isn't. It it the name of Tesla's battery factory being built in Nevada.

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Musk has previously said in an interview that Li-Ion batteries were at $600 / kwh, but when he looked at the component and manufacturing costs they were at $100 / kwh. Somehow the entire supply chain has piked up a lot of overhead, and he realized it would be possible to reduce that. At those prices, Model-S battery pack costs are between $36k and $51k! When I realized that, I came to conclusion that Tesla Motors cou…

> Tesla Motors could be viewed as a stepping stone on the way to building a Gigafactory.

This is an even better summary than the post's title!

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If Tesla executes, they are going to be the leading company in a number of industries, of which battery technology and manufacturing is one of them. They are also leaders in direct sales, JIT manufacturing, motor design, any one of which is a disruptive innovation channel they could monetize, all in the service of building electric cars. Tesla is an energy company, a battery company, a car company, etc, just as GE or…

Don't forget the "car charging" business. Tesla announced before that it's willing to license its Supercharger network to other car makers. That business could one day replace most petrol charging stations.

And the backup battery business for homes and business: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-05-08/musk-revea...

Re: Tesla is a Battery Company

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I'm sort of curious how the economics of this will end up working out from a consumer's perspective. Lithium ion's big advantage was energy density -- you can store a lot of juice for not much mass or volume, which is a really big deal for portable electronics or cars... for a stationary home installation, though, much less so. Having a giant thing sitting in your backyard might be okay if it was high-capacity and ch…

Energy density is still important for home installations, especially if you have ambitions of retro fitting on a wide scale. If you could get to a situation where solar + battery was cheaper than a grid connection, a majority of the population will still not buy it if it's something which will require a half tonne object to be installed on a specially constructed concrete plinth, brought on a lorry with a crane system, and taking up 2m x 1m of space. Far, far better if it can be within the size and weight range of a normal white box utility, for instance the kind of freezer that people put in their garage.
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