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Google Says 5% of Visitors to Its Sites Have Ad Injectors Installed

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Re: Google Says 5% of Visitors to Its Sites Have Ad Injectors Installed

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You can't trust anybody except for open source repositories. The easiest way to get such trash on your computer is installing software from a commercial vendor. Oracle is one major source of headache, if you aren't careful you'll find your 'java' install also gives you a severe case of malware/crapware. There are whole companies dedicated to this concept of piggy-backing junk.

>You can't trust anybody except for open source repositories. That is patently false. Established profitable companies in a market with multiple competitors usually do not fuck with their customers, if they charge up-front for their product/service. On the other hand, companies that give away stuff for "free" have to find unique ways to pay the bills (be it hosting fees, or hardware costs, or developer time, etc). In…

Open source projects are often developed by volunteers, and hosted by free services like github or bitbucket.

I've actually never seen an an freedom respecting project that included adware, and I can confidently say that the reason for that is that if a team were to do that, somebody would fork the repo and remove the offensive junk. As long as it gets caught, it's a self healing ecosystem. The same cannot be said for non-free software, as the pool of people who could find junk is so much smaller, but also because if junk were to be found by an employee, they'd have very little power to actually do anything about it.

Open source is volunteers, and when its not, they run on donations. When the donations stop, they stop. Some have found clever ways to make money, such as pay4premium or pay4support, but I've never seen ad injectors. Those come from third party distributors who aren't affiliated with the projects and can be avoided.

Re: Google Says 5% of Visitors to Its Sites Have Ad Injectors Installed

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> Established profitable companies in a market with multiple competitors usually do not fuck with their customers, if they charge up-front for their product/service. Lenovo (and lots of other hardware manufacturers) are proof positive that this is absolutely not the case. There isn't a windows machine bought over the years by my extended family that did not have a whole pile of junk on it right from day one including…

My computer didn't come with any junk on it. Even otherwise, pointing out what some companies do in ONE market means nothing. That is why I used the word usually. I guess it is no longer expected to read what someone says before responding. Good job on that.

As long as you say "usually", nobody can ever disagree with you!

Re: Google Says 5% of Visitors to Its Sites Have Ad Injectors Installed

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>You'd never see OSX or Linux letting people install software without going through a walled garden. I can't speak for or against OS X, but with respect to Linux this is plainly false, unless by "Linux" you mean "Android" or by "walled garden" you mean "basic user authentication."

Pretty sure parent was being sarcastic

It's so hard to tell sometimes.

Re: Google Says 5% of Visitors to Its Sites Have Ad Injectors Installed

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You can't trust anybody except for open source repositories. The easiest way to get such trash on your computer is installing software from a commercial vendor. Oracle is one major source of headache, if you aren't careful you'll find your 'java' install also gives you a severe case of malware/crapware. There are whole companies dedicated to this concept of piggy-backing junk.

The Linux model: you install software from repositories curated by people you trust - distribution maintainers. No viruses, no bundled adware, just simple no-bullshit software repositories. I have a hard time understanding why techies continue to put up with Windows and OSX.

The most popular Linux distribution for end-users (Ubuntu) comes pre-installed with adware. To be fair, they ask you nicely whether to enable it nowadays, which makes it a few magnitudes better than most Windows adware. But it's sadly still enough to refute "no bundled adware".

Re: Google Says 5% of Visitors to Its Sites Have Ad Injectors Installed

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I'm a Chrome extension author and I've been contacted at least a half-dozen times by shady companies that want me to add some "totally unobtrusive" ad-injection javascript into my extension. I've been told I could make $0.50/user based in the US per month. That would be a nice raise, for sure, but I'm not the type of person willing to sell out my users to make a little extra dough. Plus I am a user of my own extensio…

I know this isn't the place or time, but I got your extension and I would like to request that the archive.org music player be added to it. I do not know how to contact you through your site or send a pm through here or github.

Thanks. I'll add it to my backlog!

Re: Google Says 5% of Visitors to Its Sites Have Ad Injectors Installed

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My computer didn't come with any junk on it. Even otherwise, pointing out what some companies do in ONE market means nothing. That is why I used the word usually. I guess it is no longer expected to read what someone says before responding. Good job on that.

As long as you say "usually", nobody can ever disagree with you!

Heh. :) Even though I could, I won't disagree with you.

Anyway, I view most comment sections as informal/idle chit-chat, and not courtroom/dissertation situations where everything needs to be cited and/or "proved". When I'm commenting I'm usually smiling to myself or amused, not angry or trying to "win" anything.

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