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Google Says 5% of Visitors to Its Sites Have Ad Injectors Installed

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Re: Google Says 5% of Visitors to Its Sites Have Ad Injectors Installed

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Well maybe they should stop allowing download sites that offer ad infected downloads to buy the top spots on the google search results page? https://i.imgur.com/Ote9c2k.png Adwords is probably one of the main infection vectors for malware these days. Previous rant: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8879229

Your rant is outdated. This is what "download firefox" looks like now:

http://i.imgur.com/dG7wONC.png

Re: Google Says 5% of Visitors to Its Sites Have Ad Injectors Installed

#23
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You can't trust anybody except for open source repositories. The easiest way to get such trash on your computer is installing software from a commercial vendor. Oracle is one major source of headache, if you aren't careful you'll find your 'java' install also gives you a severe case of malware/crapware. There are whole companies dedicated to this concept of piggy-backing junk.

> There are whole companies dedicated to this concept of piggy-backing junk. ... including a YC company called InstallMonetizer: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5092711

Fortunately they have 'watsi' too.

Downvoters are invited to explain what's wrong with this comment, I see installmonetizer as one of the low points in the history of YC and watsi as the high point, possibly the high point in VC investing in the last decade or more.

Re: Google Says 5% of Visitors to Its Sites Have Ad Injectors Installed

#24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't trust open source repos either; you can only verify them. And is anyone really reading all of the code they run before they run it? With all of its third-party dependencies? I don't think open source repositories are safer because they're open source, but precisely because there is no commercial benefit to shoveling BS into them. In fact, with the bigger commercial open source software, you often do see cra…

Yes, that's an excellent point, I highly doubt anybody verifies what they install end-to-end. We all put a lot of trust in reputations and a couple of checksums.

Trust is fundamental to society, having a civilization is impossible without it. We shouldn't expect people to verify everything all the time.

Re: Google Says 5% of Visitors to Its Sites Have Ad Injectors Installed

#25

Well maybe they should stop allowing download sites that offer ad infected downloads to buy the top spots on the google search results page? https://i.imgur.com/Ote9c2k.png Adwords is probably one of the main infection vectors for malware these days. Previous rant: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8879229

Your rant is outdated. This is what "download firefox" looks like now: http://i.imgur.com/dG7wONC.png

You can't take a single search as evidence that things have changed. Ads won't always show for the search terms for various reasons (geography, language, platform, lack of ad budget etc).

Re: Google Says 5% of Visitors to Its Sites Have Ad Injectors Installed

#26

Well maybe they should stop allowing download sites that offer ad infected downloads to buy the top spots on the google search results page? https://i.imgur.com/Ote9c2k.png Adwords is probably one of the main infection vectors for malware these days. Previous rant: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8879229

Your rant is outdated. This is what "download firefox" looks like now: http://i.imgur.com/dG7wONC.png

For you.

It looks more like the OP's version to me, including 'softonic' as the third linked one. The top two are mozilla's (and I use an ad blocker so I don't see the ad).

On Chrome the first 6 links are mozilla's then the 'download sites' start.

Re: Google Says 5% of Visitors to Its Sites Have Ad Injectors Installed

#27
If you turn on CSP reporting for your web-site you'll see a LOT of reports about attempted script injection into your site. When you research it you'll find that these come from malware/extensions which are pushing ad content and other nonsense.

Re: Google Says 5% of Visitors to Its Sites Have Ad Injectors Installed

#28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your rant is outdated. This is what "download firefox" looks like now: http://i.imgur.com/dG7wONC.png

For you. It looks more like the OP's version to me, including 'softonic' as the third linked one. The top two are mozilla's (and I use an ad blocker so I don't see the ad). On Chrome the first 6 links are mozilla's then the 'download sites' start.

I don't use an adblocker and I get the same results as you (top two are Mozilla, followed by softonic), no ads present.

Re: Google Says 5% of Visitors to Its Sites Have Ad Injectors Installed

#29
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You can't trust anybody except for open source repositories. The easiest way to get such trash on your computer is installing software from a commercial vendor. Oracle is one major source of headache, if you aren't careful you'll find your 'java' install also gives you a severe case of malware/crapware. There are whole companies dedicated to this concept of piggy-backing junk.

You can't trust open source repos either; you can only verify them. And is anyone really reading all of the code they run before they run it? With all of its third-party dependencies? I don't think open source repositories are safer because they're open source, but precisely because there is no commercial benefit to shoveling BS into them. In fact, with the bigger commercial open source software, you often do see cra…

You also need to verify that the binary you run is the same source code and be able to identify malware in source code that may be very well hidden. This isn't remotely practical and for even simple software.

The only practical solution I can see is proper sandboxing of applications so you don't need to trust them in the first place.

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