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Re: China's Man-On-the-Side Attack on GitHub

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Post by [deleted] »

dmfdmf wrote: post #32
_xnmw wrote: post #15

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Who said this would only be for a few hours? DDOSing Github drives up their hosting costs massively, creating a financial incentive to comply with China's demands. Aside from that, it's just Eastern politics, which works by a whole lot of bullying and childish tactics when they don't get their way. Not to say that it doesn't happen in Western politics, just much more subtly. And it doesn't seem so bad since we're the…

> And it doesn't seem so bad since we're the good guys. Post-Snowden, check your premises.

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Re: China's Man-On-the-Side Attack on GitHub

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Post by TheDong »

peteretep wrote: post #106
mwsherman wrote: post #25

Can browsers or OSs not treat the corrupted Baidu analytics as malware?

You'd think, wouldn't you. Or instead simply blacklist Baidu's analytics code completely. That will only hurt Chinese businesses using Baidu's product, and no-one else.

It would also hurt american, or european, or any nationality of business that uses baidu to get more insight into chinese visitors.

Baidu is certainly most popular within china, but not exclusive to them.

Re: China's Man-On-the-Side Attack on GitHub

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Post by raverbashing »

gbog wrote: post #71
greenleafjacob wrote: post #66

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> China and Russia are both (quite unique) examples of countries with an unfathomable degree of control over their citizens. It can be hard to grasp occasionally, coming from a western mindset but for the vast majority within said countries, the entire reality they see and what they believe to be true is heavily distorted--in that, it is defined by the vision of the oligarchy and information is carefully controlled t…

> [China] an unfathomable degree of control over their citizens You obviously haven't been there. I think Chinese gov have the same level of control over its citizens as France: very erratic, sometime works well, some people try to play with fire, but overall the Chinese are all but lobotomized robots in the hands of a few puppet masters. There's over 500 strikes a year in China, not counting all the ones not big eno…

And you haven't been to France

Does France has a Great Firewall on the Internet?

Does France allow people to study about their actions in Algeria, for example? They do.

(or you're part of the conspiracy, I can't exclude that)

Re: China's Man-On-the-Side Attack on GitHub

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Post by nitrogen »

javert wrote: post #109
karcass wrote: post #45

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> the entire reality they see and what they believe to be true is heavily distorted--in that, it is defined by the vision of the oligarchy and information is carefully controlled to produce a desired set of beliefs. That's pretty much how I feel about the Fox-watching population of the US.

Except that we have free speech in this country, so Fox can be, and is, heavily and freely criticized freely all the time. And because we have free speech, there are multiple alternatives that act as checks and balances across our culture as a whole. In other words, comparing Fox to the media situation in China or Russia is just ridiculous and irresponsible.

In other words, comparing Fox to the media situation in China or Russia is just ridiculous and irresponsible.

The point of "comparing" anything to anything else is to see how the things are alike, and how they differ, as in "compare and contrast." If such comparisons are to be verboten, even if by stigma and not by fiat, then we are giving up an essential tool of understanding.

Re: China's Man-On-the-Side Attack on GitHub

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Post by bsaul »

westiseast wrote: post #95
gbog wrote: post #71

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> [China] an unfathomable degree of control over their citizens You obviously haven't been there. I think Chinese gov have the same level of control over its citizens as France: very erratic, sometime works well, some people try to play with fire, but overall the Chinese are all but lobotomized robots in the hands of a few puppet masters. There's over 500 strikes a year in China, not counting all the ones not big eno…

I have been there ;) You're misinterpreting the nature of control. Yes, there are protests, mostly because the government lets them happen. It helps people let off steam, it gives the government an indication of how people feel, and quite often there are conflicting interests which the Party can rise above (remember, government and the Party are not the same thing). So, often it's a bunch of workers protesting agains…

"How about an experiment - I'll hold up an anti government sign in front of the French parliament, and you do the same in Tiananmen Square and we'll see how much control the Chinese gov has ;)"

Actually, i did just that 10 years ago, in front of the elysee ( white house french equivalent), alone, american style with my street sign ( although i didn't shout any sligan, i remained silent), and one policeman asked me my ID, went somewhere with it, gave it back to me, and told me to leave, saying "this is is not the US here".

But, yeah, nothing else happened. I wasn't beaten up or followed or spyed upon after that.

Re: China's Man-On-the-Side Attack on GitHub

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Post by obstinate »

abalone wrote: post #116
j42 wrote: post #23

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Actually, someone here (who I cannot remember) said quite eloquently yesterday that our biggest export--and "influence" on the world--is culture. For the first time I realized that pissing people off may, in fact be the objective as the other reply stated. China and Russia are both (quite unique) examples of countries with an unfathomable degree of control over their citizens. It can be hard to grasp occasionally, co…

The difference between the U.S. and China/Russia is that the people in China/Russia know the media is controlled by the powers that be. Here, our press is also "defined by the vision of the oligarchy and information is carefully controlled to produce a desired set of beliefs." We just believe that it's free. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent

It is rather stupid to equate the degree of media manipulation in the West vs. China and Russia.

Re: China's Man-On-the-Side Attack on GitHub

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Post by westiseast »

palmer_eldritch wrote: post #128
westiseast wrote: post #95

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I have been there ;) You're misinterpreting the nature of control. Yes, there are protests, mostly because the government lets them happen. It helps people let off steam, it gives the government an indication of how people feel, and quite often there are conflicting interests which the Party can rise above (remember, government and the Party are not the same thing). So, often it's a bunch of workers protesting agains…

> but today they might let the protest get a bit wild if they want to allow the protesters a bit of leeway, and then those untrained, poorly equipped policemen will be screwed. I'd say most often than not, when a government lets a protest get wild it's because they want to justify the harsh repression that's coming or at least that when the time comes for decision, they won't side with the protestors. Or they're just…

The HK protests were interesting recently for that reason - the protestors had the momentum, and the governments first reaction if it was mainland China would probably be to crush it. They let it boil over, and eventually the momentum was lost and anti-protestor sentiment took over. Whether that was by design or 'helped along' is another issue, but it showed how popular protests can sometimes just sour if left to their own devices.

Re: China's Man-On-the-Side Attack on GitHub

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Post by _abattoir »

obstinate wrote: post #138
abalone wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference between the U.S. and China/Russia is that the people in China/Russia know the media is controlled by the powers that be. Here, our press is also "defined by the vision of the oligarchy and information is carefully controlled to produce a desired set of beliefs." We just believe that it's free. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent

It is rather stupid to equate the degree of media manipulation in the West vs. China and Russia.

Not at all. The Western governments simply have to hide it better.
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