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Why are interest rates so low?

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Re: Why are interest rates so low?

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Why the obsession of economic growth? In Sweden we currently have negative prime interest rate and people have higher salaries than ever and housing prices are all time high. This greed doesn't lead to less global warming or happier people. I think politicians and economists should start thinking about what actually makes people happy. Economics is efficient management of resources nothing else. Giving the population…

"Why the obsession of economic growth?" Because central banks (CB) print money out of thin air. That "money" is debt. You print 100, you owe 110 counting interest. How can you pay the 10, if you only printed/exists, 100? You can't. You, me, everyone, is a debt slave. "Times are good" = CBs print a lot of money (out of thin air). A lot of non existant interest too, but you don't notice, cause more money/debt is printe…

All banks create money out of thin air when they make loans not just central banks.

And your arithmetic doesn't quite work either at the very least if you assume that money actually gets respect with a certain speed.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevekeen/2015/03/30/the-princip...

Re: Why are interest rates so low?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can have technological, scientific and cultural advancement without economic growth. Building more shopping malls out in the suburbs leads to growth, but it doesn't advance society.

I have discussed this with friends recently. Why do we need growth? I don't need a faster iPhone, or more tech. I honestly don't see my life being any better for the last ten years worth of "growth" (much of which seems to have been pumping up asset prices). I would quite like to relax and coast a bit in life, but with the constant chasing of growth by everyone else, standing still means you will get left behind (i.e…

> I don't need a faster iPhone, or more tech.

Maybe you don't, but lots of people do, as evidenced by the fact that they pay for it. If you don't need it, then don't pay for it.

> the last ten years worth of "growth" (much of which seems to have been pumping up asset prices)

This is true, but faster iPhones and other tech weren't what did that. Investment banks did that, by playing risky zero-sum games with other people's money.

> with the constant chasing of growth by everyone else, standing still means you will get left behind

Really? You need a faster iPhone just to keep up?

Re: Why are interest rates so low?

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Why the obsession of economic growth? In Sweden we currently have negative prime interest rate and people have higher salaries than ever and housing prices are all time high. This greed doesn't lead to less global warming or happier people. I think politicians and economists should start thinking about what actually makes people happy. Economics is efficient management of resources nothing else. Giving the population…

"Why the obsession of economic growth?" Because central banks (CB) print money out of thin air. That "money" is debt. You print 100, you owe 110 counting interest. How can you pay the 10, if you only printed/exists, 100? You can't. You, me, everyone, is a debt slave. "Times are good" = CBs print a lot of money (out of thin air). A lot of non existant interest too, but you don't notice, cause more money/debt is printe…

> You print 100, you owe 110 counting interest.

Um, no. I agree that printing money has bad side effects, but this is not one of them.

Here's a better way of looking at it. You currently have a money supply of 1000. That money supply is matched up to 1000 units of goods and services. Assuming this situation has been stable for a while, there will be some set of equilibrium prices.

Now you print 100. The total money supply is now 1100. But the supply of goods and services has not changed. So the first order effect is to raise prices, since you have 1100 units of money but only 1000 units of goods and services, so the previous set of prices is no longer in equilibrium. (Plus, whoever got the 100 that you printed got to spend it first, so they got the advantage of the lower prices; in other words, printing money is a way of favoring some economic actors over others.)

But there is also a second-order effect--at least there is according to Keynesians. If you print money, that makes people think there are more goods and services--i.e., that the economy is growing. So they are more willing to take economic risks--hence growing the economy. So, according to Keynesians, if you print just the right amount of money, you can stimulate just enough growth to match up with the money you printed. In the above example, if we suppose that the 100 units of money printed stimulated just enough growth to increase the supply of goods and services to 1100 units, then 100 units was the right amount of money to print to keep prices stable.

Nowhere in any of this is there any "interest" on the additional money printed. That's not the bad side effect. The bad side effect is that, in reality, the amount of money printed is never just the "right" amount to stimulate the matching amount of economic growth. It's not even clear if printing money can be counted on to stimulate economic growth at all: the Fed has been printing money at a snappy pace for a number of years now, and they are still saying the economy is stagnant.

(It's true that prices have not gone up very much, at least if you believe the CPI numbers; but that's because banks aren't lending the money that's being printed--they're hoarding it in their cash balances, because they don't want to be caught short if there's a downturn. So the actual money supply, the supply that affects the prices you and I pay for ordinary items, is considerably smaller than the total amount of money that's been printed.)

Re: Why are interest rates so low?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you'd be happy without the last 10 years, with your iPhone that was initially released 8 years ago -- and which promptly increased the cell phone market from race-to-the-bottom "dumb phones" to high-margin "smart phones"?

As someone who owns an iPhone, I don't think it's really substantially improved my quality of life. It makes some things more convenient, but doesn't really enable me to do anything I couldn't do before with other separate devices, and it can be a major source of distraction at times.

Would you be willing to test that...? I.e. Would you be willing to give up the iPhone for a dumb phone for 12 months? What if we collectively donated to a charity to make it more enticing?

Re: Why are interest rates so low?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have discussed this with friends recently. Why do we need growth? I don't need a faster iPhone, or more tech. I honestly don't see my life being any better for the last ten years worth of "growth" (much of which seems to have been pumping up asset prices). I would quite like to relax and coast a bit in life, but with the constant chasing of growth by everyone else, standing still means you will get left behind (i.e…

> I don't need a faster iPhone, or more tech. Maybe you don't, but lots of people do, as evidenced by the fact that they pay for it. If you don't need it, then don't pay for it. > the last ten years worth of "growth" (much of which seems to have been pumping up asset prices) This is true, but faster iPhones and other tech weren't what did that. Investment banks did that, by playing risky zero-sum games with other peo…

>Maybe you don't, but lots of people do, as evidenced by the fact that they pay for it. If you don't need it, then don't pay for it.

That's not really how it works. I will get a new phone when mine dies because (A) I need a phone and (B) the phone I have isn't being made anymore.

Does this means I am paying for 'more tech'? If you do not keep buying new stuff, you don't stagnate, you regress. If I don't want new technology, I have to go with no technology, not the same-old technology.

Re: Why are interest rates so low?

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Why the obsession of economic growth? In Sweden we currently have negative prime interest rate and people have higher salaries than ever and housing prices are all time high. This greed doesn't lead to less global warming or happier people. I think politicians and economists should start thinking about what actually makes people happy. Economics is efficient management of resources nothing else. Giving the population…

One big reason I want economic growth is because I want to live a lot longer than the standard 80-90 years in perfect health, and I want the same for my loved ones. Affordable health care is great, but what you get for it right now frankly sucks. No matter how affordable your health care is, or no matter how rich you are and how much money you pour into it, you're going to die fairly soon, and probably go through a lot of horrible problems on the way.

I want health care that's so advanced it's "perfect." I want people to routinely choose when to die rather than having it thrust upon them. I want forgetting the names of your children to be as weird and old-fashioned as dying of smallpox. The research and development needed to get there has a high economic cost, and growth is how you can pay for it.

Re: Why are interest rates so low?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with deflation isn't that everyday things get cheaper, it's that investments (like houses) devalue, which leads to people hoarding cash. Now that's not to say it's always a bad thing. In Canada right now I'd argue houses are way too expensive, and that market needs to correct itself. If housing prices were to crash (and they very well might), they'd eventually bottom out at a reasonable level, because man…

> and everyone expected that the price of anything they bought would devalue, they might not buy it today. I don't see how this is different than today, there are not many things you buy aside from a house that don't lose value over time.

houses, factories, stocks, bonds, bank accounts... all generally expected to provide a positive nominal return.

they provide a negative nominal return, you're better off hoarding greenbacks.

the zero interest rate policy already breaks the banking system. the payments system was historically paid for just by giving the bank an interest-free loan. If the bank can't reinvest above zero, there's no value in running a branch network to collect deposits or running a payments system in exchange for some float. the whole system is on life support because the Fed provided a bank subsidy via interest on excess reserves. but the whole system, things like money market funds, CDs, they make no sense in a negative interest rate environment.

how about all those people with 30-year, 80% loan to value mortgages? the value of the house goes down year after year, the real value of the mortgage and the fixed mortgage payment goes up, they're going to have a pretty bad time.

how about all the (much reduced) companies and municipalities that have defined benefit pensions, or even life insurance contracts that assume a positive, relatively risk-free return? all those pension funds and insurance companies go bust.

how are people going to feel about periodic reductions in their wages? people have a hard time with it, and wages and prices tend to be stickier going down than going up. constant downward pressure makes people unhappy and is hard to get used to, even if relative prices stay the same.

the expectation that prices are not going to consistently go down over time is pretty hard-coded into the financial system and contracts and people's psychology, and if it happened it would cause more disruption than higher-than-expected inflation.

Re: Why are interest rates so low?

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Bernanke seems to discount the value of QE. If short-term rates are already at zero, and the Fed can't impact longer-term interest rates, then QE would have no effect.

But in fact, after the Fed pegged the overnight rate at 0, they could peg the 7-day rate at 0 just by committing to keep the overnight rate at 0 for 7 days, and offering to lend 7-day money at 0. And they can then peg the 1-year rate by offering to buy and sell 1-year T-bills at a given price. And so on up the yield curve.

Of course, at some point inflation adjusts and the Fed can't peg the real rate over the long term. But in the short term they can peg a lot of nominal rates in a sense that is not as narrow as he lets on here.

http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2015/03/30/2125256/did-bernanke-f...

Re: Why are interest rates so low?

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post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who owns an iPhone, I don't think it's really substantially improved my quality of life. It makes some things more convenient, but doesn't really enable me to do anything I couldn't do before with other separate devices, and it can be a major source of distraction at times.

Would you be willing to test that...? I.e. Would you be willing to give up the iPhone for a dumb phone for 12 months? What if we collectively donated to a charity to make it more enticing?

Not the GP, but I'd be happy enough to do that. Then again, my personal computer is a ThinkPad T41 I bought online for like $100 recently when my T420 died, so maybe I don't count? But honestly, so little of my quality of life comes from tech advances (though I do love me some computer science, and work with computers every day).

Re: Why are interest rates so low?

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Another good question: Why are S&P500 stock dividends so low? The average S&P500 stock dividend yield is like 2%. In theory, you buy stocks to receive earnings. But if companies only give out a fraction of those earnings, you as an investor are not really getting much. So how can companies get away with a 2% dividend yield?

Dividends are a tax inefficient way to compensate share holders because dividends are taxable. I hope dividends disappear. Share buybacks increase net asset value without any tax impact. There might be a downside, but I haven't heard it yet.

Increases in net asset value are taxed when you realize them by selling the asset, and (to my understanding) at the same rate as qualified dividends. So where is the advantage?
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