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Jay Z Reveals Plans for Tidal, a Streaming Music Service

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Re: Jay Z Reveals Plans for Tidal, a Streaming Music Service

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Here's the problem: I don't want another music service. I want all my favorite artists on one music service. There is literally no reason for them to not be other than various forms of greed. Garth Brooks created his own music streaming service because the people behind the album don't get enough attention. Taylor Swift doesn't put her music on Spotify because she can make more money on iTunes. Jay Z creates a stream…

Competition = good, one music service to rule them all = bad. Good on Tailor Swift for keeping Spotify on their toes. Good on you for choosing Spotify and not Tidal.

Let a thousand musical flowers bloom, and may they forever compete for attention of the bees, giving us more colors and extravagance as time progresses.

Please keep making alternative music services and please keep giving us more choice, better quality and lower prices.

Re: Jay Z Reveals Plans for Tidal, a Streaming Music Service

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if FLAC was required for "high-fidelity" -- it's not -- a 20mb track and assuming the track is at a super short length of 60 seconds is going at ~341kbps. YouTube is already pumping bits faster than that at 360p [0], so that really doesn't seem like a hard part of the equation, and surely the market for this is not looking to capture an audience smaller than YouTube's. [0] https://support.google.com/youtube/answ…

I was just using FLAC as a comparison for lossless considering when someone thinks of lossless audio they will mostly think of FLAC. Of course it goes deeper than that. I think the hard part of the equation is still definitely dealing with bandwidth and speed limitations though. I have issues streaming Youtube video even more so than I do HQ Spotify tracks (and it is a problem more common in Australia particularly th…

1k/2k/4k video streaming seem to be coming along alright in many markets so I don't think lossless audio streaming is over the top. Totally understand the sucky situation in Australia though. Maybe an aussie cdn cache could help in that particular market?

Re: Jay Z Reveals Plans for Tidal, a Streaming Music Service

#23

Here's the problem: I don't want another music service. I want all my favorite artists on one music service. There is literally no reason for them to not be other than various forms of greed. Garth Brooks created his own music streaming service because the people behind the album don't get enough attention. Taylor Swift doesn't put her music on Spotify because she can make more money on iTunes. Jay Z creates a stream…

Crackle is still up and running. They have original programming in addition to movie back titles.

Re: Jay Z Reveals Plans for Tidal, a Streaming Music Service

#24

Here's the problem: I don't want another music service. I want all my favorite artists on one music service. There is literally no reason for them to not be other than various forms of greed. Garth Brooks created his own music streaming service because the people behind the album don't get enough attention. Taylor Swift doesn't put her music on Spotify because she can make more money on iTunes. Jay Z creates a stream…

> There is literally no reason for them to not be other than various forms of greed.

Isn't the reason more to do with the copyright system than with greed? Unless you're talking about the influence that greedy people have over politics and thus copyright legislation.

Re: Jay Z Reveals Plans for Tidal, a Streaming Music Service

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I'd pay $20/month or more for a service that: * had high quality streams * had gigantic library * _biggest of all_ cracked the 'discovery' nut. I listen to music all day, I don't like to listen to the same tracks more than a few times so I have a hard time keeping my queue full. I'm a Spotify subscriber so I'll find an artist I think is interesting, play their whole discography and then start digging into 'related ar…

Tidal is close. They offer Flac lossless streaming.

Re: Jay Z Reveals Plans for Tidal, a Streaming Music Service

#28

Here's the problem: I don't want another music service. I want all my favorite artists on one music service. There is literally no reason for them to not be other than various forms of greed. Garth Brooks created his own music streaming service because the people behind the album don't get enough attention. Taylor Swift doesn't put her music on Spotify because she can make more money on iTunes. Jay Z creates a stream…

Competition = good, one music service to rule them all = bad. Good on Tailor Swift for keeping Spotify on their toes. Good on you for choosing Spotify and not Tidal. Let a thousand musical flowers bloom, and may they forever compete for attention of the bees, giving us more colors and extravagance as time progresses. Please keep making alternative music services and please keep giving us more choice, better quality a…

Remember how the Hundred Flowers Campaign ended -- with an extinction event. Something not dissimilar is going to happen to these streaming services, because they simply do not differentiate from each other sufficiently.

Re: Jay Z Reveals Plans for Tidal, a Streaming Music Service

#29

Here's the problem: I don't want another music service. I want all my favorite artists on one music service. There is literally no reason for them to not be other than various forms of greed. Garth Brooks created his own music streaming service because the people behind the album don't get enough attention. Taylor Swift doesn't put her music on Spotify because she can make more money on iTunes. Jay Z creates a stream…

I'd like to see a creative commons streaming service that automatically paid artists using Bitcoin. With no intermediary.

But I'm kind of a weird customer. I've boycotted copyrighted works for long durations.

That said, I am not a spotify subscriber. But I'm enough of a fan of these artists that I will likely subscribe.

Re: Jay Z Reveals Plans for Tidal, a Streaming Music Service

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“This is a platform that’s owned by artists,” - Jay Z I think he meant, "This is a platform owned by established, rich, and ageing artists, whose resolve to assist up-and-comers should rightfully be questioned." Not to say this can be any worse then something like Spotify, which already trounces over the independents, but I hardly think this is a likely group to bring democracy and creativity back to the musical scen…

> I think he meant, "This is a platform owned by established, rich, and ageing artists, whose resolve to assist up-and-comers should rightfully be questioned." An actual artist-owned platform (a co-operative model where artists = shareholders) would actually be pretty awesome.

> But one executive involved in the negotiations, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the deals were private, said that participating artists were being granted shares in exchange for their good-faith efforts to supply exclusive content

I think the problem with an artist-owned platform is that I actually want the platform to be agnostic in terms of what is actually surfaced. When I open Rdio, I can see what's popular amongst everyone, my network, or just me. I don't want that to be affected by the owners also being the product.

What really concerns me is the double-talk.

> “I just want to be an alternative,” Jay Z said. “They don’t have to lose for me to win.”

But the strategy is clearly going to be largely based on exclusive content. This doesn't mean Rdio and spotify lose, it means the fans lose because they have to spend the time and energy they would normally put into enjoying music towards weighing the different streaming options.

I guess Jay said it best: "I'm not a businessman, I'm a business, man." That's the artist that owns this "artist-owned" platform.

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