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Jay Z Reveals Plans for Tidal, a Streaming Music Service

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Re: Jay Z Reveals Plans for Tidal, a Streaming Music Service

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I don't know if the world is ready for this kind of thing. As an audiophile I think it is great that we're going to get access to a trove of lossless music, but I think the majority who is happy listening to music through their iPhone earphones and tinny speakers in their smartphones won't care (especially not enough to pay double the cost of a Spotify subscription). Then there is the kind of internet speed required…

Even if FLAC was required for "high-fidelity" -- it's not -- a 20mb track and assuming the track is at a super short length of 60 seconds is going at ~341kbps. YouTube is already pumping bits faster than that at 360p [0], so that really doesn't seem like a hard part of the equation, and surely the market for this is not looking to capture an audience smaller than YouTube's.

[0] https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/1722171

Re: Jay Z Reveals Plans for Tidal, a Streaming Music Service

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post #8

I'd pay $20/month or more for a service that: * had high quality streams * had gigantic library * _biggest of all_ cracked the 'discovery' nut. I listen to music all day, I don't like to listen to the same tracks more than a few times so I have a hard time keeping my queue full. I'm a Spotify subscriber so I'll find an artist I think is interesting, play their whole discography and then start digging into 'related ar…

I like Spotify's discovery. I subscribe to a lot of playlists that are constantly updated where I can get a lot of new artists from. Never used the radio, I just go to their playlists and find Americana or Alternative or whatever I'm looking for.

Re: Jay Z Reveals Plans for Tidal, a Streaming Music Service

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post #5

“This is a platform that’s owned by artists,” - Jay Z I think he meant, "This is a platform owned by established, rich, and ageing artists, whose resolve to assist up-and-comers should rightfully be questioned." Not to say this can be any worse then something like Spotify, which already trounces over the independents, but I hardly think this is a likely group to bring democracy and creativity back to the musical scen…

When artists make it big, don't they usually start their own labels anyways? We also have rich artists very active in the music industry, providing capital and such...I mean, it is the industry they known and succeeded in! This is sort of like a programmer who made it big in an IPO becoming a venture capitalist for software tech companies: I'm sure that has happened before.

Yup.

I can't speak for the others, but both Jay Z & Kanye are very heavy into promoting new artists.

Jay essentially created two of the men standing up there (J Cole & Kanye), and Kanye has been instrumental in pushing Big Sean, Kid Cudi, Pusha T, and Chief Keef among others into the limelight.

They, along with birdman & lil wayne are the biggest promoters of new artists in the rap game.

Re: Jay Z Reveals Plans for Tidal, a Streaming Music Service

#14

Here's the problem: I don't want another music service. I want all my favorite artists on one music service. There is literally no reason for them to not be other than various forms of greed. Garth Brooks created his own music streaming service because the people behind the album don't get enough attention. Taylor Swift doesn't put her music on Spotify because she can make more money on iTunes. Jay Z creates a stream…

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Re: Jay Z Reveals Plans for Tidal, a Streaming Music Service

#15

Here's the problem: I don't want another music service. I want all my favorite artists on one music service. There is literally no reason for them to not be other than various forms of greed. Garth Brooks created his own music streaming service because the people behind the album don't get enough attention. Taylor Swift doesn't put her music on Spotify because she can make more money on iTunes. Jay Z creates a stream…

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Re: Jay Z Reveals Plans for Tidal, a Streaming Music Service

#16

Here's the problem: I don't want another music service. I want all my favorite artists on one music service. There is literally no reason for them to not be other than various forms of greed. Garth Brooks created his own music streaming service because the people behind the album don't get enough attention. Taylor Swift doesn't put her music on Spotify because she can make more money on iTunes. Jay Z creates a stream…

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Re: Jay Z Reveals Plans for Tidal, a Streaming Music Service

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I don't know if the world is ready for this kind of thing. As an audiophile I think it is great that we're going to get access to a trove of lossless music, but I think the majority who is happy listening to music through their iPhone earphones and tinny speakers in their smartphones won't care (especially not enough to pay double the cost of a Spotify subscription). Then there is the kind of internet speed required…

Even if FLAC was required for "high-fidelity" -- it's not -- a 20mb track and assuming the track is at a super short length of 60 seconds is going at ~341kbps. YouTube is already pumping bits faster than that at 360p [0], so that really doesn't seem like a hard part of the equation, and surely the market for this is not looking to capture an audience smaller than YouTube's. [0] https://support.google.com/youtube/answ…

I was just using FLAC as a comparison for lossless considering when someone thinks of lossless audio they will mostly think of FLAC. Of course it goes deeper than that.

I think the hard part of the equation is still definitely dealing with bandwidth and speed limitations though. I have issues streaming Youtube video even more so than I do HQ Spotify tracks (and it is a problem more common in Australia particularly than most think). Optimisations can only go so far before you encounter hard limitations software cannot work around without a reduction in quality.

Considering the platform will offer 320 and lossless, I guess they're not limiting themselves to some small niche of the market. Most people will happily pay the same price for Spotify like quality and a possibly larger catalogue on Tidal, but I don't think the lossless aspect is going to be as big as Jay Z thinks. It's a marketing gimick more than it is a selling point for the general audio consumer.

Re: Jay Z Reveals Plans for Tidal, a Streaming Music Service

#19

Here's the problem: I don't want another music service. I want all my favorite artists on one music service. There is literally no reason for them to not be other than various forms of greed. Garth Brooks created his own music streaming service because the people behind the album don't get enough attention. Taylor Swift doesn't put her music on Spotify because she can make more money on iTunes. Jay Z creates a stream…

Maybe the time has come for someone to write a "pidgin for music streaming services", a wrapper client with playlists and search that jumps between all your subscribed services depending on track availability :P

Re: Jay Z Reveals Plans for Tidal, a Streaming Music Service

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post #5

“This is a platform that’s owned by artists,” - Jay Z I think he meant, "This is a platform owned by established, rich, and ageing artists, whose resolve to assist up-and-comers should rightfully be questioned." Not to say this can be any worse then something like Spotify, which already trounces over the independents, but I hardly think this is a likely group to bring democracy and creativity back to the musical scen…

Actually, you can only publish if you're registered with one of four record labels: https://tidalsupport.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/201167132...
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