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Two Federal Agents in Silk Road Case Face Fraud Charges

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Re: Two Federal Agents in Silk Road Case Face Fraud Charges

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Basically the same MO as in drug cases - part of the briefcase-o'-cash (or drugs, or what have you) goes into evidence, part goes into the agents' pockets.

Read the complaint, it's so much worse than that: http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-release...

Re: Two Federal Agents in Silk Road Case Face Fraud Charges

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Bitcoin seems to make everyone crazy. I guess if you're prone to theft and dishonesty, it must be tough to look at a folder on some confiscated PC with files worth tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars and not take them. Seems like everyday police corruption, like how drug dealers busted with thousands of dollars suddenly have a evidence locker inventory with zero cash. I'm glad the system is working, at least to…

I think it's a look into what he world looks like without social norms. The folks stealing bitcoins probably would never take $200 out of grandma's purse when she wasn't looking. Society has acculturated people to understand that's bad. But butcoin is novel, and doesn't have social norms surrounding it. It doesn't feel the same as taking money out of a purse.

I would argue that many of the recently publicized actions of the government in general provide a look into what the world looks like without social norms.

Re: Two Federal Agents in Silk Road Case Face Fraud Charges

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Ulbricht case that went to trial was a different investigative team. [e.g. These agents were not involved] > The charges stem from the agents’ role in one of the federal investigations into Silk Road; a separate Manhattan-based investigation ultimately led to the filing of charges against the website’s founder, Ross W. Ulbricht, who was convicted last month on numerous counts. The website was also shut down by th…

Yes, it's unheard of for agents in a "different investigative team" (that, BTW, happens to be involved in shaking down suspects) to, say, provide illegally obtained evidence to their coworkers. The government is very strict about tracking the source of evidence so it can be turned over to the defense; otherwise it'd be a clear Brady violation. They could face as much as a light chastizement from a federal judge! http…

Is there some link you can point us to suggesting that that's happened in this case? There are 113,000 employees at DOJ, so, statistically, every case is always going to be one or two hops away from some kind of malfeasance somewhere, right?

Re: Two Federal Agents in Silk Road Case Face Fraud Charges

#36
post #6

Bitcoin seems to make everyone crazy. I guess if you're prone to theft and dishonesty, it must be tough to look at a folder on some confiscated PC with files worth tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars and not take them. Seems like everyday police corruption, like how drug dealers busted with thousands of dollars suddenly have a evidence locker inventory with zero cash. I'm glad the system is working, at least to…

I think it's a look into what he world looks like without social norms. The folks stealing bitcoins probably would never take $200 out of grandma's purse when she wasn't looking. Society has acculturated people to understand that's bad. But butcoin is novel, and doesn't have social norms surrounding it. It doesn't feel the same as taking money out of a purse.

As the guy above said, I don't think it's particularly novel about Bitcoin, rather that the temptation of something that has a large amount of value will always make a few give in. These guys may not have stolen from a grandma, but would feel less inhibited stealing from what they ostensibly view as criminal's money.

Re: Two Federal Agents in Silk Road Case Face Fraud Charges

#37
post #6

Bitcoin seems to make everyone crazy. I guess if you're prone to theft and dishonesty, it must be tough to look at a folder on some confiscated PC with files worth tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars and not take them. Seems like everyday police corruption, like how drug dealers busted with thousands of dollars suddenly have a evidence locker inventory with zero cash. I'm glad the system is working, at least to…

I think it's a look into what he world looks like without social norms. The folks stealing bitcoins probably would never take $200 out of grandma's purse when she wasn't looking. Society has acculturated people to understand that's bad. But butcoin is novel, and doesn't have social norms surrounding it. It doesn't feel the same as taking money out of a purse.

I think your theory might be a tad overly optimistic with regards to the character of these officers.

I think the amount of infrastructure they set up to execute the crime indicates complete understanding of the law. That is very different from committing a crime because one's adherence to social norms makes them think it isn't a "real crime".

Re: Two Federal Agents in Silk Road Case Face Fraud Charges

#38
post #25

Bitcoin seems to make everyone crazy. I guess if you're prone to theft and dishonesty, it must be tough to look at a folder on some confiscated PC with files worth tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars and not take them. Seems like everyday police corruption, like how drug dealers busted with thousands of dollars suddenly have a evidence locker inventory with zero cash. I'm glad the system is working, at least to…

Looks like we have indeed found a third way to make money off Bitcoin. The first two, both widely used so far, are (a) operating a Bitcoin exchange and running away with customers' Bitcoins and (b) hacking a Bitcoin exchange and running away with customers' Bitcoins.

(c) investigating bitcoin related crimes for a federal agency and selling access to your investigation back to the target

Re: Two Federal Agents in Silk Road Case Face Fraud Charges

#39
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it's unheard of for agents in a "different investigative team" (that, BTW, happens to be involved in shaking down suspects) to, say, provide illegally obtained evidence to their coworkers. The government is very strict about tracking the source of evidence so it can be turned over to the defense; otherwise it'd be a clear Brady violation. They could face as much as a light chastizement from a federal judge! http…

Is there some link you can point us to suggesting that that's happened in this case? There are 113,000 employees at DOJ, so, statistically, every case is always going to be one or two hops away from some kind of malfeasance somewhere, right?

Your comment is disingenuous. The case was not "one or two hops away" from malfeasance, it was the subject of said malfeasance. The fact that neither of the bad actors testified in court, and that they may have been working in a separate office does not change this.

Re: Two Federal Agents in Silk Road Case Face Fraud Charges

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post #12

SO they skimmed a tad off top instead of handing it all over to uncle fucking sam, who cares. Greedy ass gov. Like they would have put that money to good used anyways, right.

The complaint is signed by Tigran Gambaryan, a special agent with the Internal Revenue Service It's been said before... you can do a lot to harm the gov't, but never, never piss off the IRS. Uncle Sam doesn't take kindly to messing with his cash.

More likely is that it's far easier to prove that they didn't pay any taxes on the money than it is to prove they never should have received it.
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