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Tim Cook: Pro-discrimination ‘religious freedom’ laws are dangerous

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Re: Tim Cook: Pro-discrimination ‘religious freedom’ laws are dangerous

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What are Tim Cook's credentials here? Did he say anything that hasn't been said by others? Is his take novel or particularly developed? This is an incredibly complex issue. As a left-leaning person who wants to see discrimination eradicated, but as a person who also wants to see it eradicated without it being the purview of some constellation of legal obligations, I recognize deep rooted conflicts. Take for example t…

If you don't want Tim Cook to say the words, just read them aloud to yourself and pretend they are your words. Then analyze their substance based on the content, rather than who says them. The counter to an appeal to authority is not to ask for a different authority. (It is to become an authority yourself.)

That's not what's going on here.

The Washington Post is making an appeal from authority based on the headline alone. The WP readership is going to understand that as "Person I look up to says something I might agree with". No one can pretend that away.

Then, the argument itself isn't anything particularly deep - and of course it isn't. Cook doesn't have the credentials to add anything meaningful to the discussion.

Re: Tim Cook: Pro-discrimination ‘religious freedom’ laws are dangerous

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What are Tim Cook's credentials here? Did he say anything that hasn't been said by others? Is his take novel or particularly developed? This is an incredibly complex issue. As a left-leaning person who wants to see discrimination eradicated, but as a person who also wants to see it eradicated without it being the purview of some constellation of legal obligations, I recognize deep rooted conflicts. Take for example t…

For one, this issue seems to be one which he is personally taking on himself. Part of it seems to be his identity as a gay man. He also takes pains to frame the issue with regards to a faith which is deeply personal to him.

I don't know that he is necessarily trying to use this as a rhetorical cudgel, to beat the conclusion into the minds of those who support discriminatory legislation. This letter/editorial seems to be framed as Tim, with the support of Apple, raising a rallying flag or even just joining in the rally of businesses who are against this legislation.

Re: Tim Cook: Pro-discrimination ‘religious freedom’ laws are dangerous

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  > That’s why, on behalf of Apple, I’m standing up to oppose this new wave of
  > legislation — wherever it emerges. I’m writing in the hopes that many more will
  > join this movement. From North Carolina to Nevada, these bills under
  > consideration truly will hurt jobs, growth and the economic vibrancy of parts of
  > the country where a 21st-century economy was once welcomed with open arms.
This is bizarre. In what way does a 21st-century economy depend on same-sex marriage?

Am I too cynical for thinking this probably has more to do with PR and/or company morale?

Re: Tim Cook: Pro-discrimination ‘religious freedom’ laws are dangerous

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post #12

What are Tim Cook's credentials here? Did he say anything that hasn't been said by others? Is his take novel or particularly developed? This is an incredibly complex issue. As a left-leaning person who wants to see discrimination eradicated, but as a person who also wants to see it eradicated without it being the purview of some constellation of legal obligations, I recognize deep rooted conflicts. Take for example t…

For one, this issue seems to be one which he is personally taking on himself. Part of it seems to be his identity as a gay man. He also takes pains to frame the issue with regards to a faith which is deeply personal to him. I don't know that he is necessarily trying to use this as a rhetorical cudgel, to beat the conclusion into the minds of those who support discriminatory legislation. This letter/editorial seems to…

It is not Tim Cook who is using this as rhetorical cudgel.

It is the Washington Post's rhetoric and the WP's readership, and by proxy HN, that are subjects of that rhetoric.

Re: Tim Cook: Pro-discrimination ‘religious freedom’ laws are dangerous

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I don't like him citing that discrimation is "bad for business" as anecdotal justification. Tim is the role model, not Apple.

But he says that's it's the consensus in the business community, who are you to deny that?

Re: Tim Cook: Pro-discrimination ‘religious freedom’ laws are dangerous

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post #7

> A wave of legislation, introduced in more than two dozen states, would allow people to discriminate against their neighbors. I would hate to live in such a world where such thing would be considered illegal but ok. > say individuals can cite their personal religious beliefs to refuse service to a customer or resist a state nondiscrimination law. So? I don't see how this is a problem, as a business owner you are all…

> The US was founded on principles of freedom of expression and association. The freedom to associate is also the freedom to not associate, only Tim skips over all that.

So freedom for a business to not associate with anybody who is not white is ok?

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