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Racing goes electric: At the track with Formula E, the first e-racing series

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Re: Racing goes electric: At the track with Formula E, the first e-racing series

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What I want to see is not heroic drivers like NASCAR, nor heroic billionaires investing in very similar tweaks, like Formula 1, but a diversity of creative conceptual engineering, competing in the same challenges, for lots of money. Things like DARPA sponsors: The Grand Challenge in self-driving cars, and the Robotics Challenge. The Ansari X-prize also applies. BattleBots was a decent attempt at a sport along these l…

There's a lot of interesting variety in the world of land speed racing. Just take a look at this [1] spike-tired jet turbine motorcycle. You won't see that at the track!

[1] http://www.landracing.com/index.php/2-news-and-articles/news...

Re: Racing goes electric: At the track with Formula E, the first e-racing series

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As a former avid motorsports fan I believe all motorsport racing forms are dying as the cars are more and more considered a nuisance by young generations and they seem to have plateaued with their mechanical capabilities for a while.

To return fun back to motorsports and enable everyone to compete if they want, I think best would be to have RC models with realistic characteristics (or even real cars) and real-time camera/remote driving ability. Most fun nowadays is in simulators anyway, no TV experience can translate to what one can experience in a simulator competing against other people (sorry F1). Things like renting a NASCAR on an oval or Porsche on a Nürburgring aren't for everyone.

Re: Racing goes electric: At the track with Formula E, the first e-racing series

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Video of the race from the second page: https://youtu.be/fvxRqC8UoAs?t=2m55s Engine sound is amazing. This is the first time I have heard tire screech in a race. I wonder why. :-) The problems seems to be battery capacity. They have to switch cars. Since the racing is usually done on a closed circuit they could implement inductive charging in the future( and perhaps power-ups ). Who wouldn't want to watch that?

Here's a video without an annoying commentator, so that you can actually hear the engine: https://youtu.be/IptBVdys-mo?t=1m2s

And yes, the engine sound is amazing! It sounds so much more futuristic than Formula 1.

Re: Racing goes electric: At the track with Formula E, the first e-racing series

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Video of the race from the second page: https://youtu.be/fvxRqC8UoAs?t=2m55s Engine sound is amazing. This is the first time I have heard tire screech in a race. I wonder why. :-) The problems seems to be battery capacity. They have to switch cars. Since the racing is usually done on a closed circuit they could implement inductive charging in the future( and perhaps power-ups ). Who wouldn't want to watch that?

Here's a video without an annoying commentator, so that you can actually hear the engine: https://youtu.be/IptBVdys-mo?t=1m2s And yes, the engine sound is amazing! It sounds so much more futuristic than Formula 1.

Huh, it really sounds like he's shifting. Do these electric cars have transmissions?

edit: yeah, they do! Fascinating: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIA_Formula_E_Championship#Car

Re: Racing goes electric: At the track with Formula E, the first e-racing series

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What I want to see is not heroic drivers like NASCAR, nor heroic billionaires investing in very similar tweaks, like Formula 1, but a diversity of creative conceptual engineering, competing in the same challenges, for lots of money. Things like DARPA sponsors: The Grand Challenge in self-driving cars, and the Robotics Challenge. The Ansari X-prize also applies. BattleBots was a decent attempt at a sport along these l…

There's a lot of interesting variety in the world of land speed racing. Just take a look at this [1] spike-tired jet turbine motorcycle. You won't see that at the track! [1] http://www.landracing.com/index.php/2-news-and-articles/news...

For anyone that's interested in creative engineering in motorsports I'd definitely recommend trying to make it out to the Bonneville Salt Flats in Utah for one of their speed trials [1]. It's an amazing experience. You'll see everything from multi-$100k vehicles with huge corporate/university support down to a guy who put something together in his shed four a couple grand (and he may still get a record). Some people go to try to break official records, others to break personal records, and others just to have fun. There are lots of different categories so almost anything you would want to make/modify can be brought out there as long as it's safe. Go to one that has both motorcycles and cars to see the best diversity(Speed Week, in August, is what I'd recommend).

Another cool thing is how close you are to the vehicles. You can be 20 feet away when the 2000hp streamliner takes off. (Although they aren't dragsters, so the acceleration isn't what's important). And most of the people love talking about what they built. So when they're waiting in line you can get right up to the cars and ask questions about stuff (just don't bother them if they look like they're in a hurry to fix/modify something ;) ). You'll see extremely well engineered vehicles using established ideas for going fast as well as crazy ideas that may or may not work (e.g. a v-twin converted into a single cylinder which uses the second cylinder as a supercharger.) Often times it's not even about trying to go faster, it's just about trying something new or challenging.

Anyone into cars and motorcycles should go at least once if they can. For many people, after their first experience they decide they need to bring something to run next year, and that's when the addiction starts. :)

[1] http://www.scta-bni.org/

Re: Racing goes electric: At the track with Formula E, the first e-racing series

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a video without an annoying commentator, so that you can actually hear the engine: https://youtu.be/IptBVdys-mo?t=1m2s And yes, the engine sound is amazing! It sounds so much more futuristic than Formula 1.

Huh, it really sounds like he's shifting. Do these electric cars have transmissions? edit: yeah, they do! Fascinating: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIA_Formula_E_Championship#Car

I read that in the article. I'd also like to read why a five-speed transmisison is beneficial on these cars - I suppose the motors still have a RPM-based powerband, even if it isn't as drastic as gas engines?

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What I want to see is not heroic drivers like NASCAR, nor heroic billionaires investing in very similar tweaks, like Formula 1, but a diversity of creative conceptual engineering, competing in the same challenges, for lots of money. Things like DARPA sponsors: The Grand Challenge in self-driving cars, and the Robotics Challenge. The Ansari X-prize also applies. BattleBots was a decent attempt at a sport along these l…

You are spot-on! At the moment, F1 has little diversity and lots of restricting regulations. Formula-E is even worse, with everyone driving the same cars. NASCAR, or Indy, is not better either. All the revolution and innovation is in WEC (World Endurance Championship), it's the one with the Le Mans round. This year, 4 strong competitors arrive in the top class and this is the series to watch http://www.carmagazine.co…

Everyone is driving the same car only for the first season. Second season they are opening up the motor and inverter for improvement and modification. In the third it sounds like the battery will be opened up as well.

My guess is that they want to keep things as competitive as possible between the drivers. Slowly opening up the playing field for modifications will keep the races interesting but still foster innovation (at least for the first few years).

Re: Racing goes electric: At the track with Formula E, the first e-racing series

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There are limits on everything: acceleration, maximal speed and even noise. Formula E will be boring same way as Formula 1. Identical cars circling around the track.

Formula E is actually worse than Formula 1, since they are built by the same manufacturer. You can't level the same criticism at F1 these days, with a dominant team like Mercedes.

Renault's monopoly is temporary - it's to bootstrap the series. I think they should replace F1's every-constructor-makes-their-own-chassis rule with a rule to have everyone build their own powerplants / drives. That's where you want this series to provide innovation.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh, it really sounds like he's shifting. Do these electric cars have transmissions? edit: yeah, they do! Fascinating: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIA_Formula_E_Championship#Car

I read that in the article. I'd also like to read why a five-speed transmisison is beneficial on these cars - I suppose the motors still have a RPM-based powerband, even if it isn't as drastic as gas engines?

Electric motors do have a constant power region and its ideal to operate there. I would expect teams to modify their transmissions to better fit their motor as more parts of the car are opened up for modification.
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