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Ikea's flat-pack refugee shelter is entering production

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Re: Ikea's flat-pack refugee shelter is entering production

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These things are great. But at the same time - so weird. Helpless victims of failed states, social injustice, greed, hatred, etc can now rely on high tech structures to take care of them. Genocide ? No problem, we've got you covered. We've got just the perfect structures for $1000 a pop for you to take shelter in. I mean, it IS the right thing to do, but at the same time, I don't know.. I guess would prefer that some…

ikea filling their pockets

Re: Ikea's flat-pack refugee shelter is entering production

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I haven't found their weight, but their lifespan in only estimated to be three years, does anyone know if they are easily recyclable, do they burn, if so are any gases toxic? Can they be combined to form interlinked structures?

I don't think it will magically disintegrate in three years unless the weather around there is bad. I wager that 3 years is the very minimum. Out in normal terrain I'd wager these things could last a could 10-15 years with some patching of holes and fixing the normal wear and tear.

Re: Ikea's flat-pack refugee shelter is entering production

#23

These things are great. But at the same time - so weird. Helpless victims of failed states, social injustice, greed, hatred, etc can now rely on high tech structures to take care of them. Genocide ? No problem, we've got you covered. We've got just the perfect structures for $1000 a pop for you to take shelter in. I mean, it IS the right thing to do, but at the same time, I don't know.. I guess would prefer that some…

I feel like that is taking that line of logic too far. These aren't being created so that people can look over the suffering and alleviate the seriousness of the crime, they're to reduce the suffering that couldn't be prevented in the first place. These shelters aren't going to be pointed at as reasons why actions resulting in refugees aren't that bad, because that obviously wasn't a large enough factor to stop it from happening in the first place

Re: Ikea's flat-pack refugee shelter is entering production

#24
There's a startup in Austin, TX aiming to compete in a similar space: http://www.reactionhousing.com

Full disclosure: I work there. ;) And if you find this sort of mission compelling: we're hiring software engineers! (firmware, backend) http://www.reactionhousing.com/careers/#embedded-firmware-en... http://www.reactionhousing.com/careers/#software-engineer

Our design is quite different (and geared towards a shorter length of stay) but all the same, I'm excited to see these go into production.

Re: Ikea's flat-pack refugee shelter is entering production

#25

These things are great. But at the same time - so weird. Helpless victims of failed states, social injustice, greed, hatred, etc can now rely on high tech structures to take care of them. Genocide ? No problem, we've got you covered. We've got just the perfect structures for $1000 a pop for you to take shelter in. I mean, it IS the right thing to do, but at the same time, I don't know.. I guess would prefer that some…

I also would expect that the purchaser may not be the same as the occupant. ie, gov't agencies can buy them, NGOs can etc.

Re: Ikea's flat-pack refugee shelter is entering production

#26

These things are great. But at the same time - so weird. Helpless victims of failed states, social injustice, greed, hatred, etc can now rely on high tech structures to take care of them. Genocide ? No problem, we've got you covered. We've got just the perfect structures for $1000 a pop for you to take shelter in. I mean, it IS the right thing to do, but at the same time, I don't know.. I guess would prefer that some…

You want ladders and this is another platform to keep people out of the water. They are both needed, the problem is people build platforms and forget to provide a way up or believe that is where the person will stay. This is probably why I get so irritated at the "minimum wage must be a living wage" crowd. Its not the goal or desirable for that to be good enough. I would rather be honest about it and implement some type of assistance with the goal of a career. I keep seeing people who are "getting by" but have no way to advance. It kills the soul.

People are going to suffer, its not a perfect world. It hurts to see, especially when you drive past it each day. Planning for the suffering and providing temporary solution are good things.

But, housing is broken and people are feeling around. Tiny homes, these things, micro apartments are attempts at short and long term changes. We need more options. This isn't it, but its another idea.

Something like this will keep people safe for a while, but it is should not be thought of as an end. You're a good person and care, and skepticism is a good thing, but don't lose faith that small, positive steps are a good thing. I do think this is a small, positive step that doesn't diminish the gravity of the crimes people or bad luck can perpetrate on others. The best solution will be technical and have a moral outcome.

Re: Ikea's flat-pack refugee shelter is entering production

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They should do a tom's shoes thing with this. We both could have a house.

Sure, but then you have to find some place to put it. The house I'm living in is worth $25k, but the land it's on is worth $1.6m last I checked. It's not always about a place to put your things, it's about where to put the place to put your things.

Re: Ikea's flat-pack refugee shelter is entering production

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These things are great. But at the same time - so weird. Helpless victims of failed states, social injustice, greed, hatred, etc can now rely on high tech structures to take care of them. Genocide ? No problem, we've got you covered. We've got just the perfect structures for $1000 a pop for you to take shelter in. I mean, it IS the right thing to do, but at the same time, I don't know.. I guess would prefer that some…

It would be nice if we could just put these resources towards solving genocide, natural disasters, and war, but in the meantime these people need a place to live right now that helps them from catching and spreading disease and gives them a sense of dignity.

Re: Ikea's flat-pack refugee shelter is entering production

#29

There's a startup in Austin, TX aiming to compete in a similar space: http://www.reactionhousing.com Full disclosure: I work there. ;) And if you find this sort of mission compelling: we're hiring software engineers! (firmware, backend) http://www.reactionhousing.com/careers/#embedded-firmware-en... http://www.reactionhousing.com/careers/#software-engineer Our design is quite different (and geared towards a shorter l…

Well that seems exactly like what I'd expect a refugee shelter designed by affluent software engineers to look like.

Re: Ikea's flat-pack refugee shelter is entering production

#30

These things are great. But at the same time - so weird. Helpless victims of failed states, social injustice, greed, hatred, etc can now rely on high tech structures to take care of them. Genocide ? No problem, we've got you covered. We've got just the perfect structures for $1000 a pop for you to take shelter in. I mean, it IS the right thing to do, but at the same time, I don't know.. I guess would prefer that some…

No, what this is, is cheap shelter.

The rest of what you are saying is just an inability to cope with reality. And I mean that in the nicest way possible.

It is hard, and deeply troubling, to accept that there is such a large group of displaced people in the world who could use something like this.

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