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Re: Australia outlaws warrant canaries

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Post by rayiner » Fri, Mar 27, 2015, 4:06 PM UTC

steven2012 wrote: post #9

What happened in the last few years to allow our civil rights in the most forward thinking countries to unravel so easily? And why do citizens not care? How is it possible that all countries have elected such a group of corrupt, nearsighted politicians to the point where freedom is an inconvenience over them consolidating practically dictatorial power? And again, why does no one care?

Unravel relative to what? The 1990s representated the tail of an unprecedented 30-year expansion in civil rights. We're in the middle of a conservative retrenching as of late, but the Overton window has shifted and it's not in the direction people on HN assume. The kind of abuse that routinely happened in the legal system in the 60's and 70's would be unthinkable today.

Re: Australia outlaws warrant canaries

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Post by fit2rule » Fri, Mar 27, 2015, 4:30 PM UTC

e40 wrote: post #39

steven2012 wrote: post #9

What happened in the last few years to allow our civil rights in the most forward thinking countries to unravel so easily? And why do citizens not care? How is it possible that all countries have elected such a group of corrupt, nearsighted politicians to the point where freedom is an inconvenience over them consolidating practically dictatorial power? And again, why does no one care?

And why do citizens not care? This is the real mystery. I can't count the number of times I've had conversations with smart people that just don't seem to care. After the PATRIOT ACT was passed I was livid and knew it would be used for non-terrorism things. As we know now, it's mostly used for non-terrorism. People would look at me like I had some tin foil on my head. It couldn't even get people to talk about it. (Le…

It should be no mystery: people don't want to change their lifestyle, which is going to be needed to address this issue.

Re: Australia outlaws warrant canaries

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Post by VonGuard » Fri, Mar 27, 2015, 4:31 PM UTC

Australia is officially the only place in the world where the laws and technological restrictions make me never want to go there. Bandwidth is capped, porn is filtered, videogames cost a ridiculous amount. I know the country was founded by criminals, but I didn't realize they still ran the place.

Re: Australia outlaws warrant canaries

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Post by kstop » Fri, Mar 27, 2015, 4:34 PM UTC

mhurron wrote: post #15

toyg wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a combination of unprecedented wealth (let's be honest, modern poverty in industrialized countries is nothing like it was back in the '50s) and the continuous rise of asymmetric warfare randomly deployed by psychopaths. In Sydney, the "cafe kidnap" attack is still fresh in everyone's mind. We've had bombs in London and Madrid, plus a number of other scares, and when a population feels threatened, they'll typical…

> We've had bombs in London Did they react this way during the Troubles? I don't think they did. I was in London in '92 and there was a bomb threat called in at the tube station one stop over. It delayed the train for a bit, but that was it and everyone continued on like normal. This time the US freaks out because the world came to their doorstep and they flip out because they have no idea how to handle it. The leade…

Go search for "Prevention Of Terrorism Act." We'll wait.

Re: Australia outlaws warrant canaries

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Post by swixmix » Fri, Mar 27, 2015, 4:34 PM UTC

phkahler wrote: post #12

Does anyone have a nice SVG image of a canary? Or it illegal to put that on a website?

http://pastebin.com/ZJXsygQx (imgur didn't support svg.)

Converted using inkscape from http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%AB%E3%83%8A%E3%83%AA%E3%...

Re: Australia outlaws warrant canaries

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Post by iLoch » Fri, Mar 27, 2015, 4:35 PM UTC

CyberDildonics wrote: post #19

pcrh wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technology. Mass surveillance was impracticable 20 years ago, and is now fairly easy (at least on the internet).

Knowing what we know I'm constantly surprised an always encrypted IP layer isn't more of an issue for people.

Most people don't even know what the green address bar means, let alone actually caring.

Re: Australia outlaws warrant canaries

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Post by dang » Fri, Mar 27, 2015, 4:35 PM UTC

Url changed from http://boingboing.net/2015/03/26/australia-outlaws-warrant-c..., which points to this.

Re: Australia outlaws warrant canaries

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Post by masmullin » Fri, Mar 27, 2015, 4:38 PM UTC

blueskin_ wrote: post #4

Australia seems to be leading the world in oppression in a way even the US has yet to manage.

Australia is entirely peopled with criminals, and criminals are used to having people not trust them, as you are not trusted by me, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you.

Re: Australia outlaws warrant canaries

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Post by amyjess » Fri, Mar 27, 2015, 4:41 PM UTC

fit2rule wrote: post #20

steven2012 wrote: post #9

What happened in the last few years to allow our civil rights in the most forward thinking countries to unravel so easily? And why do citizens not care? How is it possible that all countries have elected such a group of corrupt, nearsighted politicians to the point where freedom is an inconvenience over them consolidating practically dictatorial power? And again, why does no one care?

Decadence. People don't care about civil rights, because those rights don't seem to have anything to do with the lifestyle cults that people are involved in. In Australia, particularly, where the idea of having 'a great lifestyle' trumps all other civic involvement, it should be no surprise that nobody cares - as long as you can drive to the new mall on the weekends for a bit of air-conditioned consumer protection, c…

The right to live one's lifestyle is by far and above the most important right anyone can have.

I'm a transgender lesbian. I live in a city with comprehensive LGBT protections. I live the kind of life I want. I have far more rights protected now than I did ten years ago. The rights I actually care about are protected.

It's no coincidence that the people who complain the loudest about "corporate masters" and make stuff up about how the west has become "dystopian" and "totalitarian" are the exact same people who want to get rid of LGBT protections. All this complaining about your "rights" being taken away is just code for whining that people in groups you don't belong to are having their rights protected for the first time.

I'm sick and tired of this anti-consumerist circlejerk.

Re: Australia outlaws warrant canaries

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Post by masmullin » Fri, Mar 27, 2015, 4:41 PM UTC

VonGuard wrote: post #43

Australia is officially the only place in the world where the laws and technological restrictions make me never want to go there. Bandwidth is capped, porn is filtered, videogames cost a ridiculous amount. I know the country was founded by criminals, but I didn't realize they still ran the place.

> I know the country was founded by criminals, but I didn't realize they still ran the place.

The head of state is still an inherited position