Someone should make a website where you can check off a list of countries you want to be barred from, and then it sends out an illegal tweet for each country.
Australia outlaws warrant canaries
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
> We've had bombs in London Did they react this way during the Troubles? I don't think they did. I was in London in '92 and there was a bomb threat called in at the tube station one stop over. It delayed the train for a bit, but that was it and everyone continued on like normal. This time the US freaks out because the world came to their doorstep and they flip out because they have no idea how to handle it. The leade…
You're also forgetting the 24/7 news cycle on stations like CNBC, CNN, Fox News, etc.
CNBC is a finance channel. Are you thinking of MSNBC instead?
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wonder if this is what you really believe, or if you're a shill paid to perpetuate this line of thinking to discourage/disillusion people who care about their rights. Sure, some people don't care and are blissfully caught up in a manufactured world of consumerism, but that does not generalise to the rest of the population.
I'm an Australian who is quite disappointed with his culture - call it cultural-cringe, if you will - and who finds the never-ending encroachment of strip-mall/parking-lot/tract-houses across the beautiful Australian landscape a real travesty. The cookie-cutter homes, the non-stop "New Thing™" to which the Australian Now-generation are endlessly upgrading, and so on. This is all very disappointing to have observed ov…
The fact that you can post here and complain proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that you don't live in "a dystopian nightmare society". If you were North Korean or Burmese, and you said that about your country, you'd be dead or in a labor camp in a heartbeat.
All I see is a bitter person spreading FUD because you don't approve of how other people live their lives.
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#34the Australian government made the usual argument that metadata needs to be retained for long periods in order to fight terrorism and serious crime—even though the German experience is that, in practice, data retention does not help Which only goes to show that it's not about fighting crime, but supporting it on the highest levels. Civil rights and the rule of law are obstacles to the coming rule of institutionalised…
I'm embarrassed to be on the same site as nonsense like this getting posted honestly.
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#35Cool. So, if I was to publicly announce "I have never been given a warrant demanding I hand over data by the Australian government", then I will have committed a crime attracting a two year prison sentence, and I should never visit the country?
Yes.
At least, that is how it reads. We will have to see how it gets enforced.
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm an Australian who is quite disappointed with his culture - call it cultural-cringe, if you will - and who finds the never-ending encroachment of strip-mall/parking-lot/tract-houses across the beautiful Australian landscape a real travesty. The cookie-cutter homes, the non-stop "New Thing™" to which the Australian Now-generation are endlessly upgrading, and so on. This is all very disappointing to have observed ov…
The fact that you can post here and complain proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that you don't live in "a dystopian nightmare society". If you were North Korean or Burmese, and you said that about your country, you'd be dead or in a labor camp in a heartbeat. All I see is a bitter person spreading FUD because you don't approve of how other people live their lives.
Oh, I for sure think that North Korea and Burma are also terrible countries. If you want to talk about that, we can do that.
But, staying on the subject .. please, enlighten me: how are the Australian people not losing their rights due to their own ignorance? So far, all I see is disinterest in the subject. Total surveillance: this is okay with you?
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#37The article linked in the article about how to dodge these new laws has some particularly asinine advice: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/03/australian-govern... The guy says "just use skype" because then the telco doesn't know who you're calling, just that you called skype. Sure, because there's NO POSSIBLE WAY for Skype to get a subpoena, right?
Sure, because there's NO POSSIBLE WAY for Skype to get a subpoena, right?
But that's exactly the point!!
Subpoenas and warrants require due process and probable cause (especially in the case of Skype, which is cross borders). The data retention regime - for the most part - removes that and requires nothing more than a (possibly automated) request.
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#38The article linked in the article about how to dodge these new laws has some particularly asinine advice: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/03/australian-govern... The guy says "just use skype" because then the telco doesn't know who you're calling, just that you called skype. Sure, because there's NO POSSIBLE WAY for Skype to get a subpoena, right?
Sure, because there's NO POSSIBLE WAY for Skype to get a subpoena, right? But that's exactly the point!! Subpoenas and warrants require due process and probable cause (especially in the case of Skype, which is cross borders). The data retention regime - for the most part - removes that and requires nothing more than a (possibly automated) request.
There's an easy fix for that.
"We have classified your service (Skype, whatever) as 'telecommunications' and unless you give us this stuff without a warrant we're going to start arresting your folks in-country and work on extraditing your executives"
Due process averted.
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#39What happened in the last few years to allow our civil rights in the most forward thinking countries to unravel so easily? And why do citizens not care? How is it possible that all countries have elected such a group of corrupt, nearsighted politicians to the point where freedom is an inconvenience over them consolidating practically dictatorial power? And again, why does no one care?
And why do citizens not care?
This is the real mystery. I can't count the number of times I've had conversations with smart people that just don't seem to care. After the PATRIOT ACT was passed I was livid and knew it would be used for non-terrorism things. As we know now, it's mostly used for non-terrorism. People would look at me like I had some tin foil on my head. It couldn't even get people to talk about it. (Lest readers think I'm sort of conversational pariah, I don't recall any other subject that causes this effect.)
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure, because there's NO POSSIBLE WAY for Skype to get a subpoena, right? But that's exactly the point!! Subpoenas and warrants require due process and probable cause (especially in the case of Skype, which is cross borders). The data retention regime - for the most part - removes that and requires nothing more than a (possibly automated) request.
There's an easy fix for that. "We have classified your service (Skype, whatever) as 'telecommunications' and unless you give us this stuff without a warrant we're going to start arresting your folks in-country and work on extraditing your executives" Due process averted.
Yeah, except we (Australia) never, ever try to exert any power over a US based company.
(Actually, Skype would be under the telecommunications act if they were Australian anyway. See http://www.alrc.gov.au/publications/9.%20Overview%3A%20Impac...)