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Re: Dart 1.9

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Post by EugeneOZ »

notsony wrote: post #13
EugeneOZ wrote: post #10

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All is pretty fine with Golang, especially inside Google. Tweet to illustrate: https://twitter.com/rob_pike/status/575853496592826369 And I think all will be fine with Dart too. Today's release is very interesting for server-side development. In both cases, on the server and on the client side, people will use Dart when they prefer Dart to JS. And difference not only in syntax or amount of sugar, but in "how the whol…

That tweet has no information - why is it of any significance?

Maybe because Rob Pike (one of Go authors) works at Google and many Google developers often write how they glad to write things in Go for Google needs. Next step is up to you - use search engines to get more information :)

Re: Dart 1.9

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Post by EugeneOZ »

EugeneOZ wrote: post #21
notsony wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That tweet has no information - why is it of any significance?

Maybe because Rob Pike (one of Go authors) works at Google and many Google developers often write how they glad to write things in Go for Google needs. Next step is up to you - use search engines to get more information :)

Last what I remember: https://blog.twitter.com/2015/handling-five-billion-sessions... (not Google, Twitter, but still big company).

Re: Dart 1.9

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Post by pk2200 »

notsony wrote: post #15
tree_of_item wrote: post #8

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Long term viability of Go? Go has tons of activity (Kubernetes, Docker, ...), millions of lines at Google[0] and many conferences, Dart is just now getting its first conference later this year. You should be questioning the long term viability of Dart , not Go. [0]: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/golang-codereviews/DrG...

What am I looking for in that link? I may be mistaken but doesn't google3 refer to third party libraries, and not code written internally for Google? All I want to know is if a major team at Google is using Golang for any critical services. I don't care for conferences, but I do care about tools. Google put resources into developing a full IDE for Dart, yet nothing for Go...

>I may be mistaken but doesn't google3 refer to third party libraries, and not code written internally for Google?

No, google3 is the top-level directory for all of Google's source code.

Re: Dart 1.9

#25

Post by notsony »

bmurphy1976 wrote: post #18
notsony wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What am I looking for in that link? I may be mistaken but doesn't google3 refer to third party libraries, and not code written internally for Google? All I want to know is if a major team at Google is using Golang for any critical services. I don't care for conferences, but I do care about tools. Google put resources into developing a full IDE for Dart, yet nothing for Go...

They're using it: https://talks.golang.org/2013/oscon-dl.slide#1 Also, does Go really need a full IDE? I'm pretty happy using Sublime Text. Perhaps the JavaScript types are just more demanding about their IDEs?

I've seen Brad talk about this. It's the same example that has been trotted out over the years. Not that impressed. If some of the Gmail or Adwords system has been ported or re-written to Go that would be impressive.

An IDE is important for many developers. Go would certainly benefit from being able to develop and debug in one place and have all the project management stuff handled. Why rely on a third party like Sublime Text? Visual Studio, Xcode (warts and all) and IntelliJ are good IDEs that boost productivity. The question is why hasn't resources been made available by Goodle, whether money or personnel, to do something here? Maybe work with IntelliJ to create a Go version of their IDE like they have for other languages and DART?

Re: Dart 1.9

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Post by edgyswingset »

I've never used Dart before, but since this is the exact pattern that C# follows I may have to five it a whirl in the future. I'd love to see more languages adopt this pattern.

Re: Dart 1.9

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Post by skybrian »

edgyswingset wrote: post #26

I've never used Dart before, but since this is the exact pattern that C# follows I may have to five it a whirl in the future. I'd love to see more languages adopt this pattern.

There are a few differences. Here's a fairly theoretical article about the details:

http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2747873

Skip down to: "While async functions may remind us of the async/await feature in C#, note that there are differences."

The first author is Erik Meijer who worked on C# (among other things) at Microsoft.

Re: Dart 1.9

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Post by bdcravens »

notsony wrote: post #25
bmurphy1976 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're using it: https://talks.golang.org/2013/oscon-dl.slide#1 Also, does Go really need a full IDE? I'm pretty happy using Sublime Text. Perhaps the JavaScript types are just more demanding about their IDEs?

I've seen Brad talk about this. It's the same example that has been trotted out over the years. Not that impressed. If some of the Gmail or Adwords system has been ported or re-written to Go that would be impressive. An IDE is important for many developers. Go would certainly benefit from being able to develop and debug in one place and have all the project management stuff handled. Why rely on a third party like Sub…

I think the market fills the void if there's demand. No one worked with JetBrains to create RubyMine; they saw the need.

(edit: the company is JetBrains, not IntelliJ)

Re: Dart 1.9

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Post by bmurphy1976 »

notsony wrote: post #25
bmurphy1976 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're using it: https://talks.golang.org/2013/oscon-dl.slide#1 Also, does Go really need a full IDE? I'm pretty happy using Sublime Text. Perhaps the JavaScript types are just more demanding about their IDEs?

I've seen Brad talk about this. It's the same example that has been trotted out over the years. Not that impressed. If some of the Gmail or Adwords system has been ported or re-written to Go that would be impressive. An IDE is important for many developers. Go would certainly benefit from being able to develop and debug in one place and have all the project management stuff handled. Why rely on a third party like Sub…

Looking at your other comments I think you're just too demanding. I'm not going to chase around the internet to convince you otherwise. I'm comfortable with the level of support and that's good enough for me (and many others). Same goes for Dart. If you can't be convinced otherwise then just use Java.

Re: Dart 1.9

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Post by edgyswingset »

skybrian wrote: post #27
edgyswingset wrote: post #26

I've never used Dart before, but since this is the exact pattern that C# follows I may have to five it a whirl in the future. I'd love to see more languages adopt this pattern.

There are a few differences. Here's a fairly theoretical article about the details: http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2747873 Skip down to: "While async functions may remind us of the async/await feature in C#, note that there are differences." The first author is Erik Meijer who worked on C# (among other things) at Microsoft.

This is a really excellent article. Thanks!
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