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Dart 1.9

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Re: Dart 1.9

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Post by tosh »

This is imho the most exciting release since 1.0 :)

In a nutshell:

    * async/await
    * generators
    * enums
    * Dart Analysis Server (accessible through IntelliJ/WebStorm & Sublime)
    * New RegEx engine, 150x speed up in Dart VM
    * …

Re: Dart 1.9

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Post by mark_l_watson »

I used to play with the Dart language - really nice having a client and server project in one code base and in one language.

BTW, it seems odd that Dart is not supported server side on AppEngine. Sandboxing problem? You need to use a compute engine.

Re: Dart 1.9

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Post by spankalee »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #4

I used to play with the Dart language - really nice having a client and server project in one code base and in one language. BTW, it seems odd that Dart is not supported server side on AppEngine. Sandboxing problem? You need to use a compute engine.

You can use it on App Engine Managed VMs:

https://www.dartlang.org/server/google-cloud-platform/app-en...

App Engine decided to go that route to add new languages, rather than sandbox each language individually like with Python and Java (The Go backend was created by the Go team before Managed VMs).

Re: Dart 1.9

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Post by notsony »

tosh wrote: post #2

This is imho the most exciting release since 1.0 :) In a nutshell: * async/await * generators * enums * Dart Analysis Server (accessible through IntelliJ/WebStorm & Sublime) * New RegEx engine, 150x speed up in Dart VM * …

Unfortunately yesterday's announcement about stopping development of Chrome Dart VM has put a dampener on things for me. I'm not particularly interested when there are other projects like TypeScript which also transpile to Javascript.

It's also making me question the long-term viability of Golang, given Google's history of shutting down projects abruptly.

Are any important teams inside Google using Golang for heavy-lifting? At least Dart talked about the Google Ads team using Dart. One of the goals behing Golang was go have C++ programmers move to the language, but instead it's Python and Ruby programmers picking it up. So if C++ Googlers aren't using the language, it might imply that no critical systems are being built with Golang.

Also look at the resources that were initially put behind Dart. Meanwhile look at Golang, after all these years there is no official IDE. You would think that if Google were serious about Golang they would have put more resources into developing the ecosystem. It seems like Google want to have their celebrity employee, Rob Pike, in order to attract worker bees to apply for the grunt work at Google. Much like yesterday's post about Bjarne Strostroup working at Morgan Stanley.

Re: Dart 1.9

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Post by tree_of_item »

notsony wrote: post #7
tosh wrote: post #2

This is imho the most exciting release since 1.0 :) In a nutshell: * async/await * generators * enums * Dart Analysis Server (accessible through IntelliJ/WebStorm & Sublime) * New RegEx engine, 150x speed up in Dart VM * …

Unfortunately yesterday's announcement about stopping development of Chrome Dart VM has put a dampener on things for me. I'm not particularly interested when there are other projects like TypeScript which also transpile to Javascript. It's also making me question the long-term viability of Golang, given Google's history of shutting down projects abruptly. Are any important teams inside Google using Golang for heavy-l…

Long term viability of Go? Go has tons of activity (Kubernetes, Docker, ...), millions of lines at Google[0] and many conferences, Dart is just now getting its first conference later this year.

You should be questioning the long term viability of Dart, not Go.

[0]: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/golang-codereviews/DrG...

Re: Dart 1.9

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Post by danellis »

notsony wrote: post #7
tosh wrote: post #2

This is imho the most exciting release since 1.0 :) In a nutshell: * async/await * generators * enums * Dart Analysis Server (accessible through IntelliJ/WebStorm & Sublime) * New RegEx engine, 150x speed up in Dart VM * …

Unfortunately yesterday's announcement about stopping development of Chrome Dart VM has put a dampener on things for me. I'm not particularly interested when there are other projects like TypeScript which also transpile to Javascript. It's also making me question the long-term viability of Golang, given Google's history of shutting down projects abruptly. Are any important teams inside Google using Golang for heavy-l…

Isn't it just called Go?

Re: Dart 1.9

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Post by EugeneOZ »

notsony wrote: post #7
tosh wrote: post #2

This is imho the most exciting release since 1.0 :) In a nutshell: * async/await * generators * enums * Dart Analysis Server (accessible through IntelliJ/WebStorm & Sublime) * New RegEx engine, 150x speed up in Dart VM * …

Unfortunately yesterday's announcement about stopping development of Chrome Dart VM has put a dampener on things for me. I'm not particularly interested when there are other projects like TypeScript which also transpile to Javascript. It's also making me question the long-term viability of Golang, given Google's history of shutting down projects abruptly. Are any important teams inside Google using Golang for heavy-l…

All is pretty fine with Golang, especially inside Google. Tweet to illustrate: https://twitter.com/rob_pike/status/575853496592826369

And I think all will be fine with Dart too. Today's release is very interesting for server-side development. In both cases, on the server and on the client side, people will use Dart when they prefer Dart to JS. And difference not only in syntax or amount of sugar, but in "how the whole system works" (don't know how to say it). And when you know that most profitable web project in human history is committed to Dart, then you can be sure, Dart is here to stay :)

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