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Re: Ask HN: I am the dumbest person in the room. What should I do?

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1. Act they way your Grandpa would have: with deference to their knowledge and a healthy dose of confidence (you did get hired by these people). There's a pecking order, and that's OK, but don't let the socially deficient define how you feel about yourself. 2. Sadly it's been the norm at both my jobs. It gets better after a while. 3. Yes and No. I've met some unbelievably smart people who are amazing teachers. "Rock…

My long view of every developer called a rock star, ninja, or other superlative around me: Burnouts, egotists, manic-depressives, except for a couple who healed and chilled out and became mature developers. People who sign up for those roles get rode hard and put up wet.

I can't tell you how reassuring this is for me, and probably others.

Re: Ask HN: I am the dumbest person in the room. What should I do?

#42

Basically, intelligence is a speed of processing. Assumedly every human being, given enough time, would be able to solve the same set of problems. The thing is that we only have 80 years to solve them! And also, there are more problems to be solved than anybody can in this small time frame, even with a IQ of 1000 (speed of processing). Now what does that mean for the slower minds, in a competitive environment? You ca…

Experienced people seem fast at solving problems because they have seen similar solutions before. Not necessarily because they have a faster mind.

It's a mistake to assume that because someone is better than you at something, you are less intelligent. It simply doesn't follow, and as the OP is experiencing - leads to low self esteem.

Not all cultures are unhelpful and competitive. Take it for what it is - a tough culture rather than a group of unpleasant individuals.

You have little to lose by assuming that you are correct in your belief that you can learn and by being respectful but persistent in recruiting your colleagues to help with that.

Re: Ask HN: I am the dumbest person in the room. What should I do?

#43
Can you provide more detail? Like is it the technology being used? The way the technology is being used? Internal jargon about the business? The business process itself?

Maybe your co-workers are over complicating the solutions to things because it makes sense for them to do so. I've seen this before and it can be hard to follow and detrimental to anyone else trying to understand.

Take one of them out to lunch, pick their brain about stuff to get to know them a little better. It might help understand how they approach problems.

Re: Ask HN: I am the dumbest person in the room. What should I do?

#44
I'd say most humans beings would rather not work with assholes if they were given the opportunity to work with decent people instead. Just a hunch. So my advice is pretty stupid but honest: don't accept to work with assholes, period, then you'll make a tiny change in the world. Being a genius, a ninja or a rock star developer doesn't entitle you to be a jerk with anybody. I've always liked myself to be the junior in the room, you learn so much that way, you absorb so much that it's really rewarding in the long run. That part is really nice and you do the right thing feeling that way IMHO, there's always so many things things to grasp that you better go with this attitude. However, it's your choice to stay in such situation. I guarantee to you that are uncountable places out there with really nice people (equally genius, who don't call themselves ninjas or rock stars) who actually care about juniors in the room but you have to look for them instead of going along with this "be a macho, just take it! it's a wild world!" mentality of many IT people.

Re: Ask HN: I am the dumbest person in the room. What should I do?

#45
While this doesn't sound like a great working environment, my advice while you're there is to ignore the tone of your coworkers' comments and focus on their content.

If a developer condescends to you it's likely (a) accidental, because they don't know how best to explain something simply+accurately or (b) aimed at your current knowledge, not at you on a personal level. It might also be (c) they think you should have solved it on your own, which may/may not be true. In any case, all you can do is focus on the information and let the rest bounce off you.

The best favour you can do yourself is to be rigorous about following steps, checking your work and documenting things (just scratch notes for personal use).

Senior devs should be happy to help you learn, but won't like helping you fix sloppy/repeated mistakes. If you are confident that you've done your work with care, then others' bad attitudes shouldn't affect you as much (although it never feels good).

You may be able to turn this into a good experience. However, you may just be stuck on a team where where the pressure is on and nobody has time allocated to mentor you. If the situation doesn't improve, find a new job -- look out for yourself first.

Re: Ask HN: I am the dumbest person in the room. What should I do?

#46

Basically, intelligence is a speed of processing. Assumedly every human being, given enough time, would be able to solve the same set of problems. The thing is that we only have 80 years to solve them! And also, there are more problems to be solved than anybody can in this small time frame, even with a IQ of 1000 (speed of processing). Now what does that mean for the slower minds, in a competitive environment? You ca…

What. I can't even...

This is non sense. Intelligence is not speed of processing.

Re: Ask HN: I am the dumbest person in the room. What should I do?

#47
>I am the dumbest person in the room. What should I do?

Be grateful of how lucky you are. You're surrounded with people who can teach you awesome things. You're in a challenging environment, no boredom in sight. YOU'LL LEARN.

Just put a smile on you and seize the opportunities.

Re: Ask HN: I am the dumbest person in the room. What should I do?

#49
For a beginner in high tech, it is rather common, that he or she feels incompetent.

Maybe you also can look at it the other way around: When you are not a beginner, but well settled in IT, will you always know things? No. I once was in a room filled with high paid persons where most where longer in the business than I did and where also higher paid than I did. But they just did not know what I knew. I had made the software to run 10x faster than before and they where amazed. I knew, that it just was naturally, but they did not, because they did not have my particular experience and did not know some of the details.

I think, much of the IT business is basically showing confidence. IT is about always being ignorant -- but ignoring this fact -- and get used to it.

Being in the IT business means always learn new things and always be beginner even when you have been in it for thirty years. The trick is to get used to it and don't show fear in the face of the wild dragon called "The Unknown".

That is just part of the business -- and don't fear to ask, because it is sometimes the only way to overcome the unknown.

When others make fun of you, just ignore them. Some day, they will have to ask you!

Re: Ask HN: I am the dumbest person in the room. What should I do?

#50
Don't confuse rock star developers with people being assholes. If your arrogant attitude turned off your coworkers, then when you stop being arrogant the situation should improve. If your coworkers are assholes it will not. There are people out there who will thrive in situations like this. I am not one of them. I have spent time in jobs with assholes like this and the time and money was never worth it.
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