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Re: Mentor startups in Gaza

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Post by asadlionpk »

golergka wrote: post #4
trhway wrote: post #2

i wonder whether there are student exchange or similar programs between Israel and Gaza. Specifically in this case - my understanding that Israel has pretty booming tech scene and one would expect that sharing the experience with Gazans would be a win/win for both sides.

As a developer from Israel, I'd like to participate in something like this — but I don't think that there's any opportunity for me to do this. From what I understand, even if someone tried to do something like that on the other side, they'd risk execution for "collaboration" if they did this.

That is just sad. So I guess that only leaves them with one option and that is to eliminate the other side, since educating/mentoring is not in their interests?

Re: Mentor startups in Gaza

#12

Post by golergka »

asadlionpk wrote: post #11
golergka wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a developer from Israel, I'd like to participate in something like this — but I don't think that there's any opportunity for me to do this. From what I understand, even if someone tried to do something like that on the other side, they'd risk execution for "collaboration" if they did this.

That is just sad. So I guess that only leaves them with one option and that is to eliminate the other side, since educating/mentoring is not in their interests?

I'm a little bit confused about whom did you mean by "they" and "other side" in this comment. The Gaza government (Hamas) and people of Gaza are NOT the same entity, and Israel and israelis have very different feelings towards them (unless they are retarded far-right racists).

Re: Mentor startups in Gaza

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Post by plug »

golergka wrote: post #8
plug wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think your desire to participate is commendable. I don't know anything about the safety risks of collaboration to Gazans, it's very sad situation and I appreciate that it's very complex and possibly dangerous. I'd certainly be interested to learn more. Otherwise, I'd imagine (possibly naively) that remote mentoring would be something good. If it were possible for you to participate - would you risk repercussions fo…

> would you risk repercussions for collaborating from other Israelis? What? I think that most of the Israelis, including the extreme right, would agree with me and help me, given the opportunity. We hate the terrorists who have power in Gaza and keep the people as hostages and human shields, but we want to help the people themselves, if anything.

Thanks for your answer. Maybe my use of the word repercussions was a bit strong - I don't know much about attitudes there and I am asking out of curiosity, not as a challenge etc. In any case, it sounds like the general population are empathetic, and there would be little or no prejudice from your peers etc. These are small, but good things. So... if there were no risks of collaboration for Gazans, I assume there would be a lot more positive interaction between everyone?

Re: Mentor startups in Gaza

#14

Post by asadlionpk »

golergka wrote: post #12
asadlionpk wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is just sad. So I guess that only leaves them with one option and that is to eliminate the other side, since educating/mentoring is not in their interests?

I'm a little bit confused about whom did you mean by "they" and "other side" in this comment. The Gaza government (Hamas) and people of Gaza are NOT the same entity, and Israel and israelis have very different feelings towards them (unless they are retarded far-right racists).

Exactly, Israeli government is not interested in mentorship of the people of Gaza.

Re: Mentor startups in Gaza

#15

Post by golergka »

asadlionpk wrote: post #14
golergka wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a little bit confused about whom did you mean by "they" and "other side" in this comment. The Gaza government (Hamas) and people of Gaza are NOT the same entity, and Israel and israelis have very different feelings towards them (unless they are retarded far-right racists).

Exactly, Israeli government is not interested in mentorship of the people of Gaza.

I can't speak about the government — but the people are very interested. It's not the zero-sum game; the better the gazans and palestinians have it, the less power hate propaganda has over them, the less wars and acts of terror we'll have to endure.

Re: Mentor startups in Gaza

#16

Post by aidos »

golergka wrote: post #15
asadlionpk wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly, Israeli government is not interested in mentorship of the people of Gaza.

I can't speak about the government — but the people are very interested. It's not the zero-sum game; the better the gazans and palestinians have it, the less power hate propaganda has over them, the less wars and acts of terror we'll have to endure.

Sadly, I suspect that statement could have just as easily come from the mouth of someone in Gaza regarding Israel.

Re: Mentor startups in Gaza

#17

Post by gadders »

golergka wrote: post #10
gadders wrote: post #5

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Actually, on their "How do we get in an out of Gaza" section it says: >>We currently cannot bring people to Gaza if you have a West Bank ID or Israeli passport. We can bring people who have an East Jerusalem ID. Out of interest, I wonder if they accept Jewish mentors.

You have to be insane to be a jew get into a territory that is governed by organisation that basically has "kill all jews" in it's charter.

That was what I was thinking as well.

Re: Mentor startups in Gaza

#18

Post by golergka »

plug wrote: post #13
golergka wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> would you risk repercussions for collaborating from other Israelis? What? I think that most of the Israelis, including the extreme right, would agree with me and help me, given the opportunity. We hate the terrorists who have power in Gaza and keep the people as hostages and human shields, but we want to help the people themselves, if anything.

Thanks for your answer. Maybe my use of the word repercussions was a bit strong - I don't know much about attitudes there and I am asking out of curiosity, not as a challenge etc. In any case, it sounds like the general population are empathetic, and there would be little or no prejudice from your peers etc. These are small, but good things. So... if there were no risks of collaboration for Gazans, I assume there wou…

If all effects of warmongering and racist propaganda (on both sides, to different extent) were to disappear too, definitely.

(BTW, I may not represent an average israeli — living in TLV, more leftist, less racist part of the country.)

Re: Mentor startups in Gaza

#19

Post by golergka »

aidos wrote: post #16
golergka wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't speak about the government — but the people are very interested. It's not the zero-sum game; the better the gazans and palestinians have it, the less power hate propaganda has over them, the less wars and acts of terror we'll have to endure.

Sadly, I suspect that statement could have just as easily come from the mouth of someone in Gaza regarding Israel.

Of course. I would argue that our hate level is very different — but I think that this is because of life level difference. Poor and hungry people have much more potential for hate. And that's exactly the reason why I'd want them to stop being poor and hungry (apart from basic human compassion, of course).

Re: Mentor startups in Gaza

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