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Facebook Messenger XMPP is going away

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Re: Facebook Messenger XMPP is going away

#31

Considering that they never opened it to federation, does it even matter?

It matters in two ways: it further fragments the space (having one unified way to communicate with multiple services from multiple vendors especially such large ones is showing strong support for that unified way) and it limits access to the service through existing clients which will piss off a small but vocal (and likely early adopter so early leaver) section of the audience.

Re: Facebook Messenger XMPP is going away

#32

Also it is worth mentioning that Google Talk !== Google Hangouts Everyone who uses XMPP/iMessage/Adium to connect to Google Talk is: 1) Apparently missing some messages from Hangouts users. Haven't been able to track it down but it's gotten me in trouble with my girlfriend a few times for "ignoring her" 2) Your friends see you as "Online" on hangouts and send you messages, which often seem to relate to #1 (you never…

setup a ejabberd server on a beaglebone and put a web xmpp client on it. encrypt the shit out of everything, get your friends on to it.

i'm sure there's valid business reasons to kill xmpp, not just total information awareness pressures from above.

Re: Facebook Messenger XMPP is going away

#33
To play devil's advocate, what part of the XMPP protocol is dated, that doesn't allow Facebook and Google to continue using it? Maybe if there's a way to update XMPP to include features that shared amongst these services, they can fall back to using it?

Re: Facebook Messenger XMPP is going away

#34
post #15

Welp, time to register an account on jabber.org I don't really understand why they took the XMPP API to such lengths (it even displayed OTR messages as [encrypted message], that's not really the kind of thing that comes to mind instantly when I think about an XMPP API) to finally deprecate it. Pidgin will probably see a sudden surge of bug reports.

pidgin, for all the flak it and libpurple gets, and huge backlog of feature requests and bugs, does a reasonably good job for me.

Re: Facebook Messenger XMPP is going away

#35

Also it is worth mentioning that Google Talk !== Google Hangouts Everyone who uses XMPP/iMessage/Adium to connect to Google Talk is: 1) Apparently missing some messages from Hangouts users. Haven't been able to track it down but it's gotten me in trouble with my girlfriend a few times for "ignoring her" 2) Your friends see you as "Online" on hangouts and send you messages, which often seem to relate to #1 (you never…

I still wonder when https://developers.google.com/talk/open_communications will go away.

Re: Facebook Messenger XMPP is going away

#36
We need two things. The first is a piece of software or robot that can just keep browser tabs open along with iMessage/wechat clients whatever and then reads it and transfers any message that comes thru one of these locked down services to the second thing which is an open federated universal communication service/app.

This app would have a slider at the top and if the slider is all the way on the left you get 1-1 messages/mail from the most important people in your social network and all the way on the right you get 1 to many things of people you don't even know but you follow on Twitter/twitch/youtube/RSS/tv shows you watch. This app makes money because people/advertisers can pay to increase how close they are to you for one message and the money is split with the user who also sets the cost. So for a million dollars you could call Jay Z who might be sleeping but he's making 500k so what the hell, sure he'll listen to your demo.

Re: Facebook Messenger XMPP is going away

#37
post #6
post #3

Is there any other way to work with Facebook Chat, now that XMPP is gone?

Directly via the graph api. Simpler than xmpp. Someone recently posted a graph api chat example.

Do we know if Adium/pidgin are likely to update to use that API, or is it too early to say?

Re: Facebook Messenger XMPP is going away

#38
post #19

Sigh , yet another nail in the XMPP coffin, at least as far as the general public is concerned. Remember when we had ICQ, and AIM, and MSN Messenger, and Gadu-Gadu, and we were dreaming of a unified messaging system?

It's worth noting that XMPP was based on XML. New hotness is JSON, or maybe even compressed binary protocols.

Maybe we need a new standard JSON protocol, I bet part of it falling out of favor was the XML.

Messaging is one of those areas that is actually pretty simple that corporations that want to own channels have munged up pretty bad into a complex mess. Companies internally even have a couple or few.

Side note: AOL/Timewarner actually owns the IM patent from ICQ (http://edition.cnn.com/2002/TECH/biztech/12/19/internet.aol....)

Re: Facebook Messenger XMPP is going away

#39

To play devil's advocate, what part of the XMPP protocol is dated, that doesn't allow Facebook and Google to continue using it? Maybe if there's a way to update XMPP to include features that shared amongst these services, they can fall back to using it?

The part where when you're using XMPP you're not on their website looking at their ads.

Re: Facebook Messenger XMPP is going away

#40

To play devil's advocate, what part of the XMPP protocol is dated, that doesn't allow Facebook and Google to continue using it? Maybe if there's a way to update XMPP to include features that shared amongst these services, they can fall back to using it?

Probably missing the feature that requires users of external networks to register with Facebook or Google in order to send messages on the Facebook or Google network.
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