Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Facebook Messenger XMPP is going away

developers.facebook.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

21–30 of 203 posts

Re: Facebook Messenger XMPP is going away

#21

Post by jkarneges »

cbhl wrote: post #19
AceJohnny2 wrote: post #2

Sigh , yet another nail in the XMPP coffin, at least as far as the general public is concerned. Remember when we had ICQ, and AIM, and MSN Messenger, and Gadu-Gadu, and we were dreaming of a unified messaging system?

It's worth noting that XMPP was based on XML. New hotness is JSON, or maybe even compressed binary protocols.

The funny thing is that XMPP was created when XML was the current hotness.

SMTP survived despite changing fads. If we're ever going to standardize IM (or anything), we have to accept that protocols may use older technology. Someday JSON will be old too. Let's not make these mistakes again.

Re: Facebook Messenger XMPP is going away

#22

Post by jwise0 »

A quick comment on why I submitted this ...

This will substantially change the way I interact with Facebook Messenger, and irritatingly so. For the past as long as I remember, all of my IM services have shown up in one client (naim; then Pidgin; then Adium). I'll now be forced to either use the Facebook web client (and, in doing so, feed the mis-tuned reward system in my brain that stimulates itself from seeing the notifications icon light up ...) or use a poor approximation of a keyboard on my cell phone.

It's irritating when a service that I use gets shut down. But, the thing that's truly irritating to me is that I don't even have the option of not using it: I'm locked in still by network effects, and Facebook know it.

Re: Facebook Messenger XMPP is going away

#23

Post by Havoc »

thejosh wrote: post #12
Havoc wrote: post #9

I wish the entire Messenger went away - nothing but an extra FB annoyance forced onto me.

Turn off chat. Nothing is forced onto you.

I never even turned it on. Since they split messenger off I can no longer read read messages on my cellphone...without installing a separate app. Functionality that worked perfectly fine previously until they decided to disable to force messenger onto people.

http://techcrunch.com/2014/07/28/facebook-moving-messages/

Re: Facebook Messenger XMPP is going away

#24

Post by toomuchtodo »

GauntletWizard wrote: post #20
toomuchtodo wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Remember when we had ICQ, and AIM, and MSN Messenger, and Gadu-Gadu, and we were dreaming of a unified messaging system? We'll always have SMS.

SMS? Or SMS, iChat, Hangouts, Whatsapp, and the thousands of others that use your SMS number as username? Some (iChat, Hangouts) even steal your SMSs and place them on proprietary networks; If you switch devices from iPhone to Android or vice-versa, messages get lost.

SMS, the network.

> If you switch devices from iPhone to Android or vice-versa, messages get lost.

I moved from an Android phone to an iPhone, back to an Android, and then back to an iPhone again. I never had my messages in limbo, and its easy to fix (at least, on the Apple side) if it occurs: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204270

Note that link also comes up as a search engine provided result by google just by googling "disable imessages". That's stupid simple.

Re: Facebook Messenger XMPP is going away

#27

Post by notatoad »

pikzen wrote: post #15

Welp, time to register an account on jabber.org I don't really understand why they took the XMPP API to such lengths (it even displayed OTR messages as [encrypted message], that's not really the kind of thing that comes to mind instantly when I think about an XMPP API) to finally deprecate it. Pidgin will probably see a sudden surge of bug reports.

I'm guessing it's a conflict between developers and management. Questions like "what protocol should we build our messaging system on top of" is an implementation detail decided on by the developers at the beginning of a product's lifespan. Stuff like handling encrypted messages gracefully is simply a developer doing their job thoroughly, not a directive from management to focus on the XMPP API. Then later in the product's life, when they want to build a platform and business integrations and sending money and all that other monetization stuff, restricting third party client access suddenly becomes important.

Re: Facebook Messenger XMPP is going away

#29

Post by jklp »

niravs wrote: post #13

Alternative to your desktop client. http://www.goofyapp.com/

I found out about Goofy a couple of months ago and when I'm at my desk, I don't have to use my phone at all for messaging (except for whatsapp).

Now I'd wish someone would do the same for Gmail chat / Hangouts, or maybe a way to combine all the webviews into one ;)

Re: Facebook Messenger XMPP is going away

#30

Post by automathematics »

Also it is worth mentioning that Google Talk !== Google Hangouts

Everyone who uses XMPP/iMessage/Adium to connect to Google Talk is:

1) Apparently missing some messages from Hangouts users. Haven't been able to track it down but it's gotten me in trouble with my girlfriend a few times for "ignoring her"

2) Your friends see you as "Online" on hangouts and send you messages, which often seem to relate to #1 (you never see them).

This has been a nightmare for me over the last 2 years and I can't stand how something as simple and SOLVED as chat protocol has been nuked and replaced with proprietary crap that thinks it's impressive to announce a semantic MAJOR release update that touts "Group Messaging" as a major new innovation (I'm looking at you, Apple).

Ok, rant over. Take care my friends and let's just switch everyone to IRC and be done with it.

Post reply on HN