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Re: Node.js Tools for Visual Studio

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Post by chambo622 »

Zikes wrote: post #10
chambo622 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I gave up on deploying my node.js app to Azure after finding that several modules I was using were simply not possible to run on Windows. Wasn't worth the trouble to refactor and avoid these dependencies. Windows is not a priority for most node.js devs, so unless you're doing something pretty simple/mainstream, you're likely to run into trouble.

Azure supports OSes other than Windows.

Yes, it does. But if I'm just going to spin up a Linux VM on Azure to host my node.js app, there's not much reason to use Azure over other cheaper options. So that's what I'm doing.

Re: Node.js Tools for Visual Studio

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Post by untog »

nickysielicki wrote: post #9

How many people do you think will actually use this? I just really cannot ever see mass use of azure and visual studio in the web ecosystem. The people writing nodejs code are all using vim and unix, and you're asking them to give up their workflow and change operating systems. I want to be able to poke around in bash. (edited back in) Sure, some people new to web programming might go this route. But the next big web…

The people writing nodejs code are all using vim and unix

No they aren't, that's just your perception because you are surrounded by those that are.

AFAIK Windows Node developers are still a minority, but that doesn't mean they're not a sizable group of people. A lot of code is written in corporate environments in C# and Visual Studio - adding Node to that mix is a sensible bet on Microsoft's part.

Re: Node.js Tools for Visual Studio

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Post by pavlov »

nickysielicki wrote: post #9

How many people do you think will actually use this? I just really cannot ever see mass use of azure and visual studio in the web ecosystem. The people writing nodejs code are all using vim and unix, and you're asking them to give up their workflow and change operating systems. I want to be able to poke around in bash. (edited back in) Sure, some people new to web programming might go this route. But the next big web…

You're only seeing part of the picture. There are a lot of Windows shops out there globally -- not just enterprise-oriented .Net consultants, but all kinds of companies from small web agencies to specialized software vendors.

I've worked with some of these people on the web agency end of the spectrum. They're good at what they do, but they're absolutely not interested or specialized in anything sysadmin-related. For them, Unix is a hairy old beast and Microsoft is the company whose solutions are imperfect but accessible, and that has allowed them to concentrate on their job for the past 20 years.

As Microsoft adds new technologies to their palette, these users will pick it up. They'd never do it on their own as long as it involves steps like "just spin up a virtual Linux box on AWS"...

On HN, it's easy to start assuming that everyone speaks Bash as a second language, but that's very far from the truth.

Re: Node.js Tools for Visual Studio

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Post by nickysielicki »

untog wrote: post #12
nickysielicki wrote: post #9

How many people do you think will actually use this? I just really cannot ever see mass use of azure and visual studio in the web ecosystem. The people writing nodejs code are all using vim and unix, and you're asking them to give up their workflow and change operating systems. I want to be able to poke around in bash. (edited back in) Sure, some people new to web programming might go this route. But the next big web…

The people writing nodejs code are all using vim and unix No they aren't, that's just your perception because you are surrounded by those that are. AFAIK Windows Node developers are still a minority, but that doesn't mean they're not a sizable group of people. A lot of code is written in corporate environments in C# and Visual Studio - adding Node to that mix is a sensible bet on Microsoft's part.

Yeah I was being hyperbolic, but my point still stands. The LARGE majority of developers have accepted unix as their overlord, and that poses a huge problem to microsoft as they're a second thought. They're forced to try to fit new frameworks into their ecosystem, rather than on unix where developers expect it to run.

I see it ultimately as damage control. With the overwhelming majority of developers on unix, you're not going to see microsoft hang out in the server market for very long. I think they'll hang onto the office crowd, but nothing on the backend.

This, of course, is just the opinion of a 20 year old unix nerd, who became one because his father is a microsoft fanboy. I rebelled in my teenage years by infuriating my father and installing linux. I still think I raise some valid points.

Re: Node.js Tools for Visual Studio

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Post by MichaelGG »

mousetraps wrote: post #2

Dev here - happy to answer any questions you have :)

Wow this looks pretty amazing!

How do you handle the super-long paths npm is so fond of? On Windows I often run into issues when searching or trying to manipulate a solution containing anything npm due to too-long paths.

Re: Node.js Tools for Visual Studio

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Post by daok »

nickysielicki wrote: post #9

How many people do you think will actually use this? I just really cannot ever see mass use of azure and visual studio in the web ecosystem. The people writing nodejs code are all using vim and unix, and you're asking them to give up their workflow and change operating systems. I want to be able to poke around in bash. (edited back in) Sure, some people new to web programming might go this route. But the next big web…

I do not know what you are talking about but the majority of companies that I have been working in the last decade use Microsoft Windows as operating system. They have absolutely no way they want to support *nix and Windows, so the development is done on Microsoft ecosystem. The next big web framework... again you look to be really close minded in your reality. All the new stuff is cross platform... even the next Asp.Net framework can run on every system. Stop the Microsoft hates and start opening your eyes...

Re: Node.js Tools for Visual Studio

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Post by jongalloway2 »

nickysielicki wrote: post #9

How many people do you think will actually use this? I just really cannot ever see mass use of azure and visual studio in the web ecosystem. The people writing nodejs code are all using vim and unix, and you're asking them to give up their workflow and change operating systems. I want to be able to poke around in bash. (edited back in) Sure, some people new to web programming might go this route. But the next big web…

I think your original comment mentioned that you'd want console access. While I was grabbing a screenshot, it looks like you edited your comment and removed that, but I think that was a valid concern.

There's a web based console that's sadly not that well known. Here's a screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/Lrw7lL1.png

Here's a video showing more of the features (it's from 2013, it looks better and more has been added since then, but it shows the idea): http://channel9.msdn.com/shows/azure-friday/exploring-the-su...

Re: Node.js Tools for Visual Studio

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Post by deeviant »

untog wrote: post #12
nickysielicki wrote: post #9

How many people do you think will actually use this? I just really cannot ever see mass use of azure and visual studio in the web ecosystem. The people writing nodejs code are all using vim and unix, and you're asking them to give up their workflow and change operating systems. I want to be able to poke around in bash. (edited back in) Sure, some people new to web programming might go this route. But the next big web…

The people writing nodejs code are all using vim and unix No they aren't, that's just your perception because you are surrounded by those that are. AFAIK Windows Node developers are still a minority, but that doesn't mean they're not a sizable group of people. A lot of code is written in corporate environments in C# and Visual Studio - adding Node to that mix is a sensible bet on Microsoft's part.

Yeah, I don't use vim, but Emacs, so that generalization is totally off.
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