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Re: OrientDB?

#11

Post by anonwarnings »

reconstrukt wrote: post #8
anonwarnings wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not trolling, but for various reasons I don't want my employer linking these comments to my real account. We spent a lot of time and money trying to get OrientDB working and we ran into so many problems that it was impossible for us to continue with it. It is buggy beyond belief, distributed mode is deeply flawed, transactions are not transactional, it's super easy to hang the database and the explain keyword straigh…

@anonwarnings, are you comfortable speaking offline? Would be interested to hear more about your experience.

I don't think there's much more to say (also your email address isn't in your profile) - we had a very bad experience with OrientDB and we weren't doing anything out of the ordinary with it. We didn't even really use the graph features much beyond very simple traversals. The consultant that we hired to try and fix the mess was unable to do so, and he recently told me about 2 other companies that had a basically identical experience to us. The thing is just not ready for production, and for small startups making this kind of mistake can be fatal, that's the only reason I'm saying something.

Re: OrientDB?

#12

Post by lvca »

anonwarnings wrote: post #10
lvca wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your angry comments remain anonymous. I'd like to know more about your experience and why it has been a so big failure, if this is really true. Also generic comments like "backup strategy is not existent" when OrientDB supports backup/restore and export/import let me think you want just trolling this topic. Seriously, if you had a real bad experience on using OrientDB, please let us know by motivating all the stateme…

I think you already know about this situation because the CTO was in contact with you about it. And it's not really anger, more disappointment. About backups - OrientDB does not backup indexes, it recreates them on restore - but creating indexes is the most expensive operation! For us it meant an unacceptable level of downtime during a restore. The impression I got when I was working with OrientDB is that you focus a…

Ok, I understand who you are, but it's not fair saying the problems was on OrientDB product: we have a lot of clients running in production without such problems.

You used experimental parts like ETL (was still in development) and you guys were aware of this. Furthermore your roadmap was completely unreal, specially managing a new technology that nobody in your company was skilled on. If I was the CTO of your company I'd hire somebody skilled on OrientDB if this would become the foundation of my infrastructure. And you guys didn't model a Graph, but just kept the old model trying hard to let it working with OrientDB.

Last but not least, you never paid the renewal and in order to help you we provided support for FREE for 2 months. Sorry, but the main problem there wasn't the product, but the person that worked on this migration.

Maybe you lost your job because you wasn't able to do this migration, but please don't put mud on OrientDB.

Re: OrientDB?

#13

Post by anonwarnings »

lvca wrote: post #12
anonwarnings wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you already know about this situation because the CTO was in contact with you about it. And it's not really anger, more disappointment. About backups - OrientDB does not backup indexes, it recreates them on restore - but creating indexes is the most expensive operation! For us it meant an unacceptable level of downtime during a restore. The impression I got when I was working with OrientDB is that you focus a…

Ok, I understand who you are, but it's not fair saying the problems was on OrientDB product: we have a lot of clients running in production without such problems. You used experimental parts like ETL (was still in development) and you guys were aware of this. Furthermore your roadmap was completely unreal, specially managing a new technology that nobody in your company was skilled on. If I was the CTO of your company…

We didn't use the ETL, we rolled our own, and I'm still with the company, so I think you have me confused with someone else. We hired someone who's an OrientDB expert to solve these problems because we assumed that the problem was a lack of skills on our part. Since they were also unable to fix the problems, and since we did run into very real bugs virtually every day, I'm confident that the problem is with the product and not ourselves. We did everything we could to make this work because OrientDB should have been an exact fit for our use case.

Re: OrientDB?

#14

Post by lvca »

anonwarnings wrote: post #13
lvca wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, I understand who you are, but it's not fair saying the problems was on OrientDB product: we have a lot of clients running in production without such problems. You used experimental parts like ETL (was still in development) and you guys were aware of this. Furthermore your roadmap was completely unreal, specially managing a new technology that nobody in your company was skilled on. If I was the CTO of your company…

We didn't use the ETL, we rolled our own, and I'm still with the company, so I think you have me confused with someone else. We hired someone who's an OrientDB expert to solve these problems because we assumed that the problem was a lack of skills on our part. Since they were also unable to fix the problems, and since we did run into very real bugs virtually every day, I'm confident that the problem is with the produ…

Ok, so at this point you wasn't a client and you never hire a real expert?

1) I don't know where did you find this expert. Plugin/driver authors couldn't be certified. Was this expert certified? And why didn't you ask for a certified guy to the Orient Technologies company?

2) Did you ever purchased any professional support from Orient Technologies company?

Re: OrientDB?

#15

Post by anonwarnings »

lvca wrote: post #14
anonwarnings wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We didn't use the ETL, we rolled our own, and I'm still with the company, so I think you have me confused with someone else. We hired someone who's an OrientDB expert to solve these problems because we assumed that the problem was a lack of skills on our part. Since they were also unable to fix the problems, and since we did run into very real bugs virtually every day, I'm confident that the problem is with the produ…

Ok, so at this point you wasn't a client and you never hire a real expert? 1) I don't know where did you find this expert. Plugin/driver authors couldn't be certified. Was this expert certified? And why didn't you ask for a certified guy to the Orient Technologies company? 2) Did you ever purchased any professional support from Orient Technologies company?

I think you're more interested in finding out who I am or who I work for and trying to discredit my claims than you are with addressing the issues I raised, so I'm going to decline to answer your questions. This was not an attack on you, although you've taken it as such, I was relating my experiences with your product.

Re: OrientDB?

#16

Post by dmarcelino »

anonwarnings wrote: post #6
lvca wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An account created 3 hours ago with just this comment? Smell like a troll.

Not trolling, but for various reasons I don't want my employer linking these comments to my real account. We spent a lot of time and money trying to get OrientDB working and we ran into so many problems that it was impossible for us to continue with it. It is buggy beyond belief, distributed mode is deeply flawed, transactions are not transactional, it's super easy to hang the database and the explain keyword straigh…

I haven't (yet) experienced something likes this, but in my 5 month experience with OrientDB I do get the impression that the team prefers to add new features over fixing bugs. If you consider OrientDB is a database that's quite troublesome... A DB should be rock solid and all bugs should be dealt with swiftly.

Re: OrientDB?

#17

Post by reconstrukt »

anonwarnings wrote: post #11
reconstrukt wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

@anonwarnings, are you comfortable speaking offline? Would be interested to hear more about your experience.

I don't think there's much more to say (also your email address isn't in your profile) - we had a very bad experience with OrientDB and we weren't doing anything out of the ordinary with it. We didn't even really use the graph features much beyond very simple traversals. The consultant that we hired to try and fix the mess was unable to do so, and he recently told me about 2 other companies that had a basically ident…

@anonwarnings, added my email address to my profile. I'll leave it public through the weekend, if you're comfortable reaching out, let's chat.
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