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Bug 1202858 – Restarting squid results in deleting all files in hard-drive

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Re: Bug 1202858 – Restarting squid results in deleting all files in hard-drive

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Post by feld »

Tiksi wrote: post #87
Erwin wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find the /etc/httpd/logs symlink more annoying. If you want to grep through your Apache configuration you have to explicitly grep through conf and conf.d otherwise just going to /etc/httpd and doing a grep -r you're searching through gigs of Apache logs.

grep -r shouldn't follow symlinks, -R does however: -d, --directories=ACTION how to handle directories; ACTION is 'read', 'recurse', or 'skip' -D, --devices=ACTION how to handle devices, FIFOs and sockets; ACTION is 'read' or 'skip' -r, --recursive like --directories=recurse -R, --dereference-recursive likewise, but follow all symlinks

requires someone to know there will be symlinks they don't want to follow, though :-)

Re: Bug 1202858 – Restarting squid results in deleting all files in hard-drive

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Post by vacri »

RubyPinch wrote: post #169
vacri wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why I'm getting pounded by downvoters. First someone tells me that a small-typeface 'status' is 'exceptionally clear' and UI doesn't really matter for developers. Next I'm told that in order to detect something from across the room, I have to click through a link. I realise my comment was snarky, but both of these responses were in a patronising tone themselves. Does bugzilla have some sort of rabi…

its like, the very first line of the bug's informational body. And it shows up in bugzilla searches too: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=deleting... I don't think anyone else has had a tone other than short-spoken

Keep in mind that I did not say anything like 'terrible' or 'worst ever'. I said 'iffy'. I also obviously know where to find the state, because I mentioned it in my original comment.

In return I got that it was 'exceptionally clear' (which it clearly isn't, given there's a few people in this thread that missed it); that UI doesn't matter for developers; a possible insinuation that I don't know the kind of tools devs use; and a follow-up comment that tells me I need to know my tools but then proceeds to completely ignore the use-case it explicitly quoted when telling me what I should do. I don't know how that second one can be seen as anything but patronising.

Continuing on with the theme, your point still doesn't answer any of the issues I had in my downmodded comment regarding what is 'exceptionally clear'. Can you tell at a glance from a meter away? My point isn't about the existence of a field, but its presentation.

If you don't think the UI is iffy, that's fine, we disagree. But let's not make up nonsense about things like devs not benefiting from good UI or offering solutions that don't match the quoted use-case.

Re: Bug 1202858 – Restarting squid results in deleting all files in hard-drive

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Post by RubyPinch »

vacri wrote: post #172
RubyPinch wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

its like, the very first line of the bug's informational body. And it shows up in bugzilla searches too: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=deleting... I don't think anyone else has had a tone other than short-spoken

Keep in mind that I did not say anything like 'terrible' or 'worst ever'. I said 'iffy'. I also obviously know where to find the state, because I mentioned it in my original comment. In return I got that it was 'exceptionally clear' (which it clearly isn't, given there's a few people in this thread that missed it); that UI doesn't matter for developers; a possible insinuation that I don't know the kind of tools devs…

> (which it clearly isn't, given there's a few people in this thread that missed it)

I feel this is more due to many people wanting to look at the bug itself, instead of its metadata (due to the title of the link)

> Can you tell at a glance from a meter away?

I seriously can't tell anything that isn't colored, I do not have any idea what is the concept of distanced vision, (short sighted, glasses still make things fuzzy)

I would wonder if the status in all bugzilla implementations would warrant viewable-at-a-meter, I personally find the presentation fine though: it is the first thing I see other than the title, unless I'm specifically not looking for it.

Re: Bug 1202858 – Restarting squid results in deleting all files in hard-drive

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Post by coldtea »

makomk wrote: post #122
coldtea wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parent said "This is why as a user I like Apple's OS X sandbox.". This is a bug from 15 years ago, much much before the sandbox feature was introduced. A sandboxed iTunes would have prevented that.

A sandboxed iTunes would also prevent syncing your iPod and importing existing music collections, because those both require access to files outside the sandbox, which is probably why Apple hasn't done that.

A sandbox isn't a totally isolated prison. It's a permissions system. Programs can read specific files and folders outside the sandbox and can even ask the user add new files/folders to their whitelist.

Re: Bug 1202858 – Restarting squid results in deleting all files in hard-drive

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Post by digi_owl »

MichaelGG wrote: post #154
blueskin_ wrote: post #104

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"systemd" and "sane" only ever go in the same sentence as "sane people don't use systemd". It looks like a bug in the init script; runnign it as squid's user wouldn't have triggered destroying the whole filesystem; likely just squid's config and anything under its /var.

I hear people complaining, but why has every distro picked it up then? If it's so insane, why are these people all converging on it?

Devs love it (in particular web service/app/buzzword-off-the-day devs), admins (at least those not in charge of "cattle") loath it.

This because what it provides it rapid spin up of containers and VMs, while everything talks to each other via APIs and DBUS.

But this rapidity also leads to issues with field repairs and debugging.

"Everyone" is adopting it because the Linux money is in web servers/services.

Re: Bug 1202858 – Restarting squid results in deleting all files in hard-drive

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Post by digi_owl »

koenigdavidmj wrote: post #160
blueskin_ wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"systemd" and "sane" only ever go in the same sentence as "sane people don't use systemd". It looks like a bug in the init script; runnign it as squid's user wouldn't have triggered destroying the whole filesystem; likely just squid's config and anything under its /var.

> It looks like a bug in the init script Which is what happens when you have every daemon writing their own PID handling code, running as root, in a language whose interpolation rules nobody really understands.

A legacy of sysv rather than having shell script handle init.

It is quite possible to have the script for PID handling be written once, and imported as needed.

Re: Bug 1202858 – Restarting squid results in deleting all files in hard-drive

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Post by digi_owl »

rodgerd wrote: post #165
Someone1234 wrote: post #139

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Yeah, everyone always loves to shit on BAT (which is fair, it is terrible) and VBS (which is slightly less fair) but inspite of how many problems Bash has (least of all the massive security issue last year), it gets off almost scot free. These bugs are indicative of Bash's design problems. Why is it used for init scripts? And don't even get me started on how Bash interprets filenames as part of the arguments list whe…

> it gets off almost scot free. Not just scot free - during the Great systemd War of 2014 is was a talking point for the antis that using anything other than the pure, reliable simplicity of shell for service management was MADNESS!

I don't think that was the argument, as much as it was that if a shell script fouled up it was easier to get in and do field repairs because it was interpreted rather than compiled.

Re: Bug 1202858 – Restarting squid results in deleting all files in hard-drive

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Post by res0nat0r »

vacri wrote: post #172
RubyPinch wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

its like, the very first line of the bug's informational body. And it shows up in bugzilla searches too: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=deleting... I don't think anyone else has had a tone other than short-spoken

Keep in mind that I did not say anything like 'terrible' or 'worst ever'. I said 'iffy'. I also obviously know where to find the state, because I mentioned it in my original comment. In return I got that it was 'exceptionally clear' (which it clearly isn't, given there's a few people in this thread that missed it); that UI doesn't matter for developers; a possible insinuation that I don't know the kind of tools devs…

You are being down voted because you are complaining about something which isn't relevant. Complaining about bugzillas UI not being pretty and clear from across the room really isn't relevant to the issue or bugzillas purpose whatsoever.

Re: Bug 1202858 – Restarting squid results in deleting all files in hard-drive

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Post by quoiquoi »

jedisct1 wrote: post #47

My good old trick to mitigate that is: touch /-@ I also always do it in my home directory: touch ~/-@ That's the first thing I do on a new host. When accidentally running rm -f *, the command expands to -@ first, which is not a valid option and makes the command fail before doing any harm rm: illegal option -- @ usage: rm [-f | -i] [-dPRrvW] file ...

alias rm='trash-put'
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