Bubble is such a loaded, judgemental term. How about over-optimistic? A lot of new things have been doing really well: Facebook, Uber, etc. So many investments are priced very optimistically. Some will succeed, many will fail. Many useful investents will be made. Much money will be lost. Unless you are an angel investor I wouldn't lose a lot of sleep over it.
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#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
All those startups are pumping insane amounts of money into the entire region of the SF bay area, to the exclusion of nearly all other locations - no matter what, it will massively effect the economy of the bay area.
I'm not convinced though that the money being pumped in by those startups (as opposed to the big tech companies that are making money) are of the same order as when the first thing any startup did was to buy a few $M worth of proprietary hardware.
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#23Man, we've sure been in a tech bubble for quite a long time! https://hn.algolia.com/?query=tech%20bubble&sort=byPopularit... Someone will get the timing right though, and go on to do a number of interviews and maybe even publish a book.
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#24Silicon Valley real estate bubble yes. Businesses making use of modern technology bubble? No.
Tech bubble burst will trigger real estate bubble burst (lower salaries + unemployment will cause defaults)
and as someone on other thread said: "Everyone and everything attached to the real estate market starts to freak out that home prices might decline. More panic, more layoffs, more defaults."
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#25A huge difference between the dot com bubble and now is that Sarbanes-Oxley makes IPOs a lot less appealing. That is the most likely reason why acquisitions and late funding rounds have replaced IPOs. This also means that the amount of money that can pour into a bubble is less than the last time around.
That said, bubbles usually are based a new theory about valuation for some key asset. The echo chamber of people who believe this theory bids up the value of that asset until they collectively do not have the resources to bid it higher. Then when it starts to collapse, and everyone abandons the theory, the bubble pops.
Given that, the growth of valuations is very worrisome. Doubly so since they center around social apps. One of the elements of the last bubble was the widespread belief in Metcalfe's law, that the value of a network scales as the size of the network squared. I was one of several people who came to the conclusion that O(n log(n)) is a better estimate. See http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/networks/metcalfes-law-is... for more on that. Networks were not worth as much as people thought last time.
This time round we're again seeing a belief that social networks (such as the one Facebook owns) are worth a tremendous amount. And this belief persists despite the fact that those networks are regularly being forced to buy newer social networks at high valuations because they can't prevent new entrants from gaining traction in the marketplace. So current valuations seem to be based on a theory which we have fairly direct evidence is wrong.
That fact is my top reason for believing that current valuations will not hold up over time.
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#26This is just the HTML5/ mobile app bubble, or in other words ".com bubble 2: the media companies disguised as technology firms strike back."
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#28Man, we've sure been in a tech bubble for quite a long time! https://hn.algolia.com/?query=tech%20bubble&sort=byPopularit... Someone will get the timing right though, and go on to do a number of interviews and maybe even publish a book.
The problem with bubble prediction is the perverse incentives. If you say there is no bubble, you look like an ignorant groupie. If you say there is a bubble, even if nothing happens, you can just say "you guys got real lucky this time".
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#30I think the strongest indication that there is a bubble is all the Smart People nervously chattering about there not being a bubble.
> Editor’s note: Bill Maris is president and managing partner at Google Ventures.
Hold onto your wallet. Wall Streeters are moving to tech[1], as are retirement fund managers[2]. Bubbles only work as long as the Smart Money can profit by selling to more fools.
[1] http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/25/technology/ruth-porat-goog...
[2] http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/03/23/daily-report-privat...