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Triton: Docker and the “best of all worlds”

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Re: Triton: Docker and the “best of all worlds”

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Post by nosequel »

crazy1van wrote: post #49
codygman wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The power of a pronoun is a great article, if anything him writing it should be a plus. The only way it is a negative is if you feel gendered pronouns don't further sexism, but I don't see how you could support that argument.

Does Joyent refuse to hire speakers of Spanish, French, Italian, Hindi, or any of the other dozens of languages that have gender throughout the entire grammar?

You are missing the entire point. It is one thing to not allow gender pronouns (what you are suggesting) versus punishing someone who specifically set out to change gender-neutral pronouns into male dominated ones (the Joyent case). REAL BIG difference.

Re: Triton: Docker and the “best of all worlds”

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Post by lloydde »

themgt wrote: post #47

I find these to be pretty weasel words: Is Triton open source? Yes. Triton Elastic Container Infrastructure is the commercial offering built on the top of the open-source SmartDataCenter cloud infrastructure management platform. In addition to the open source components, Triton includes support, a DevOps portal, and intellectual property indemnification only available to commercial customers. In more plain English, "…

That's a good thing to clarify. It's not an open core system like Mac OS X. SmartDataCenter is open source and Triton is our product branding. https://github.com/joyent/sdc

There is work in progress to clean up and open source the self-serve portal and its dependencies.

The propriety bits are not ours: "The Joyent SDC USB images offered to our customers contain certain firmware binaries for use with Joyent-branded hardware. We cannot make that software generally available in the open source builds; however, it is available to all who have purchased Joyent-branded hardware and is of no use without that hardware." https://docs.joyent.com/sdc7/obtaining-software

Re: Triton: Docker and the “best of all worlds”

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Post by ssmoot »

nosequel wrote: post #51
crazy1van wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does Joyent refuse to hire speakers of Spanish, French, Italian, Hindi, or any of the other dozens of languages that have gender throughout the entire grammar?

You are missing the entire point. It is one thing to not allow gender pronouns (what you are suggesting) versus punishing someone who specifically set out to change gender-neutral pronouns into male dominated ones (the Joyent case). REAL BIG difference.

Rolling back a commit is punishing, but saying you'd fire someone who did so (if they actually worked for you) isn't?

That's just not reasonable. Going straight from "teaching moment" to pitch-forks is not going to help anyone accomplish anything productive.

Re: Triton: Docker and the “best of all worlds”

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Post by ssmoot »

bananaoomarang wrote: post #39
DannoHung wrote: post #37

Uh, so I've never really heard of SmartOS or Joyent's SDC before now... This stuff looks pretty fucking unreal. What's the catch? It looks like it solves so many problems with clustered container deployment. Exposing a whole datacenter as a single Docker host seems like the end-game to me. Am I missing something? I'm a little low on sleep today. edit: To answer my own question a little: I guess the docker-sdc isn't q…

Nope, SmartOS is pretty neat.

Ditto. We were early adopters at work. KVM + ZFS and practically no setup is ace.

Re: Triton: Docker and the “best of all worlds”

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Post by pannon »

DannoHung wrote: post #37

Uh, so I've never really heard of SmartOS or Joyent's SDC before now... This stuff looks pretty fucking unreal. What's the catch? It looks like it solves so many problems with clustered container deployment. Exposing a whole datacenter as a single Docker host seems like the end-game to me. Am I missing something? I'm a little low on sleep today. edit: To answer my own question a little: I guess the docker-sdc isn't q…

No catch, it is a truly innovative/disruptive technology.

Re: Triton: Docker and the “best of all worlds”

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Post by cookiecaper »

stuaxo wrote: post #40
bau5 wrote: post #33

I saw the name and my desire to read it plummeted. The same person wrote http://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun which led to one of the most talented developers of node core and libuv leaving the project for a while.

Wow, bloody hell - hadn't read that before.

Me either. Wondering how I missed all that drama but not particularly sad I did.

Re: Triton: Docker and the “best of all worlds”

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Post by dap »

yonran wrote: post #52

Very cool. Is the next step integration with Manta so you can specify an environment of Linux executables to map over your data?

Yes, that's definitely the direction that we're headed.

Manta allows users to spin up large numbers of transient containers around their data (i.e., without moving data around) in order to do map-reduce operations, and without having to think about the container management. Today, these compute tasks are specified as scripts that run inside a well-stocked SmartOS container, plus some optional assets to download (for custom binaries or other data). The obvious next step would be to let people specify they want to run an LX zone (rather than a SmartOS zone) so that they can run GNU/Linux binaries. Then we can consider whether it makes sense to phrase the task as a Docker image. That might well be a more natural way to incorporate a larger bunch of binaries and other shared data. Architecturally, all of this should be relatively straightforward (famous last words!).

Re: Triton: Docker and the “best of all worlds”

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Post by lloydde »

brianshaler wrote: post #50
hueving wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So how is this different from the container service from google?

One interesting bit from the article: "Does this mean that I'll be able to DTrace my Linux apps in a Docker container?" (yes) Technically you can run dtrace on various platforms, and I don't know enough to tell you specific reasons why you would rather use dtrace on smartos than linux. I got the impression a few years ago the ports weren't as good. (perhaps relating to the linux port not yet being a kernel module?)

Debugging LX branded zones on SmartOS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oIBiWdh41c

"A gritty how-to on debugging LX branded zones on SmartOS presented internally at Joyent on 1/30/15. While given to an internal audience, there is quite a bit of information here that may be interesting to the broader community"

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